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To: ops33

“Both of my children were born outside the US while I was serving in the USAF. Both were born in US Army hospitals in Germany. Both my wife and I are US citizens born in the US. It is hard for me to believe that my children are not naturally born citizens. I also knew of military families, both husband and wife born in the US, where one of their children, for medical reasons, was born in a German hospital. Its hard for me to believe that child is not a natural born US citizen.”

They are naturalized citizens of the U.S., and they cannot be natural born citizens of the U.S. See:

United State v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456, 42 L.Ed. “A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized....”

U.S. Foreign Affairs Manual, 7 FAM 1110 ACQUISITION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH IN THE UNITED STATES. . . 7 FAM 1113 Not Included in the Meaning of “In the United States” . . . c. Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad:

(1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

(2) The status of diplomatic and consular premises arises from the rules of law relating to immunity from the prescriptive and enforcement jurisdiction of the receiving State; the premises are not part of the territory of the United States of America. (See Restatement (Third) of Foreign Relations Law, Vol. 1, Sec. 466, Comment a and c (1987). See also, Persinger v. Iran, 729 F.2d 835 (D.C. Cir. 1984).


91 posted on 04/08/2016 6:34:20 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
They are natural born because the U. S. had jurisdiction. 

Jurisdiction | Definition of Jurisdiction by Merriam-Webster

  1. Full Definition of jurisdiction
    1: the power, right, or authority to interpret and apply the law
    2a : the authority of a sovereign power to govern or legislate
      b : the power or right to exercise authority : control
    3: the limits or territory within which authority may be exercise


95 posted on 04/08/2016 7:24:23 AM PDT by Texas Yellow Rose
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To: WhiskeyX

you’re on fire


103 posted on 04/08/2016 7:39:28 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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