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To: don-o
Stubbs said after he analyzed independent witness statements and the videos, he concluded 70 members of the Cossacks surrounded seven Bandidos who had just arrived to the restaurant on May 17, 2015. He claims the Cossacks started the fight, firing the first two shots.

So, a lawyer who has represented bikers in the past says other bikers – not the police – started the fight and shooting. That's not going to sit well with the resident 'the pigs shot first' crowd.

6 posted on 04/06/2016 2:24:25 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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Many of us who have followed this story for almost a year want all the truth to come out.

Many are suspicious of mass arrests and abuse of probable cause.

Videos show the great majority of bikers running away from the trouble. Very little of the cops is seen.


7 posted on 04/06/2016 2:38:13 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory. And He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: edpc

None of which supports the charges and behavior of the police.


10 posted on 04/06/2016 3:20:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: edpc

The folks on the ground at TP showed where the gunfire was coming from, TP. They were hiding from the restaurant not the cops behind them.

Much as I love dogs, the old saying is apropos “lie down with dogs, get up with fleas”, although too many did not get up.

Stupid senseless!


11 posted on 04/06/2016 4:52:34 PM PDT by X-spurt (William of Ockham endorses Ted Cruz. 'the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected')
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To: edpc
"So, a lawyer who has represented bikers in the past says other bikers – not the police – started the fight and shooting. "

This is consistent with statements of bikers that were in the thick of it.

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Bandidos, wearing a patch that identified him as a chapter president, ran his bike into a Cossack standing in the parking lot. The Cossack who was hit was a “prospect,” a man in his mid-20s who was “striving to become” a full member of the club.

“They came up really fast, and the prospect turned and faced the bikes,” the Cossack chapter president said. “He fell backward into other [parked] bikes. The guy who hit him stopped and got off of his bike and said, ‘What are you doing? Get . . . out of my way. We’re trying to park.’ ”

Cossacks quickly jumped to the prospect’s defense, he said: “Guys were saying, ‘You’re disrespecting us,’ or, ‘We’re not backing down.’ ”

In a blink, it started, he said: “Two punches: One from them, one from us.”

A Bandido with a patch identifying him as sergeant-at-arms of the same chapter threw a punch at Richard Matthew Jordan II, 31, known as “Richie,” who was from Pasadena, Tex. Jordan punched the guy back.

“At that point in time, the sergeant in arms shot Richie point-blank,” the Cossack said.

Police said Jordan died of a gunshot wound to the head.

“Then all the Bandidos standing in the parking lot started pulling guns and shooting at us,” he said. “There were maybe 60 or 70 of us in the parking lot. . . . We took off running. We scattered. Three of our guys went down instantly. They caught a couple more that tripped and fell, and Bandidos were shooting at them.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html

12 posted on 04/06/2016 6:33:02 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: edpc
So, a lawyer who has represented bikers in the past says other bikers – not the police – started the fight and shooting. That's not going to sit well with the resident 'the pigs shot first' crowd.

Stubbs is a Bandido spokesman of sorts having represented them in other matters outside of Texas. Good on him for giving this case the push it needed.

This pole cam video shown here records Jesse Rodriguez being murdered in cold blood...a greater act of cowardice I haven't seen in quite a while.

I challenge anyone who ever claimed 'it was a police massacre' to watch that video and claim it was the police who killed Rodriguez.


14 posted on 04/07/2016 3:39:41 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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