Posted on 04/02/2016 1:23:21 PM PDT by Morgana
Long-time leaders of the anti-abortion movement are gritting their teeth after Donald Trump’s comments about women being punished for abortions.
Many conservatives are fuming over the GOP frontrunner’s remarks, which he later walked back. The comments ignored decades of conservative doctrine on abortion, while creating a sound bite that Hillary Clinton is already using to attack the GOP.
Despite what they see as a blunder, anti-abortion leaders overwhelmingly say they will unequivocally support Trump if faced with what they describe as a nightmarish choice between him and Clinton this November.
“If it’s between those two, I can’t trust Mr. Trump to do the right thing, I can trust Hillary Clinton to do the wrong thing,” said Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), who has spent 30 years in public office. “The bottom line is, protecting innocent human life is not a small part of the Republican Party platform.”
Leaders of the movement have for months cringed at the thought of Trump, who has called himself “very pro-choice,” becoming the party’s standard-bearer this fall.
This week, it became more painful for anti-abortion leaders to consider Trump’s path to the GOP convention, even as their hopes grew that his troublesome slip-up on a key social issue could deny him the win.
Trump’s comments, which were made during a tense back-and-forth with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, sparked a swift and sharp backlash. After repeatedly being pressed by Matthews whether women should face “some sort of punishment” for having abortions, Trump said yes, he believed they should.
It was a strong insult to the anti-abortion movement, which has a political message on the issue meant to avoid targeting women.
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Causing a pregnancy usually involves two decisions and neither are illegal. However, hiring someone to commit murder makes one a co-conspirator and should carry a penalty..Condoms cost about $1.00.
Nothing bitter about it at all. You simple pointed out the man who fathered the child as though that was a significant factor. Whether you meant it as a deflection or not, that’s what it was. Trump’s comment that a woman should be punished for having an abortion against the law is the point of the article.
The “conservative” pro-life movement has come out clearly in the woman as victim camp. Trump, on the other hand, was making a very logical conclusion. If abortion is evil, how can one reasonably claim the woman isn’t at fault? How she got pregnant is entirely irrelevant to whether or not she subsequently hires someone to cut the poor child from her womb!
I’m anti-abortion and I’m not “gritting my teeth” for Trump.
The friggin’ idiots don’t realize that their enemy is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!!!!!!!! Trump has shown that he can overcome political correctness and that means we can too. If the PC crowd is allowed to win, it won’t be just babies being killed, all Christians will be persecuted even on to death. FOOLS! Open your damn eyes and minds and understand! I’m losing my patience.
Trump answered the question based on the hypothetical.... question "if abortion were illegal"
Even if it not illegal, she is not a victim, she calls or goes to ab abortion clinic to get an abortion....she instigates the action, the abortionist doesn't know who she is nor did he solicit her business....it is 100% her decision...hardly victimhood.
Just to let you newbie pro-lifers know. “Anti-abortion” is a term used by the pro-aborts to demean and marginalize the pro-life movement.
Oh my gosh. You really are an apologist for evil. If abortion is evil (I think it is) and a woman chooses to do it, she’s evil. Whether someone assists her or not doesn’t change the fact that she murdered her baby!
We don’t let drunk drivers get away with drunk driving simply because their reasoning is impaired. So what if the woman is under a lot of stress? What woman doesn’t know that sex results in a babies???? Same thing for the drunk. They choose to drink. If they are not thinking clearly by the time they climb behind the wheel, we still hold them responsible. Same thing for a pregnant woman. She chose to engage in sex. She knew the risks, and she is ultimately responsible for the baby that grows within her. The only exception would be very rare cases of pregnancy from rape.
You can’t have it both ways. Woman can’t have complete authority over their bodies without also bearing complete responsibility for what they choose to do with it. By deflecting this discussion towards men—who are otherwise not allowed any say in the matter—you do a great disservice to women in general.
The problem is, is that's he's likely never given the issue of abortion more than a minute's thought. People who are very invested in an issue and have very strong opinions on an issue tend to believe that everyone else does too.
Now Trump is being asked to think on his feet and articulate clear, consistent, logical positions on the issue of abortion. Funny thing was, he did exactly this, and wound up pissing off both sides. Realizing he stepped in a minefield, he's now trying to walk it back, twisting himself into knots doing so.
Trump: “Such an interesting question,” he said. “So what’s your next question?”
Probably should've been his answer from the very beginning.
That was a brutal answer by Trump. I am surprised it has not been discussed more on this db
Oh my gosh. You really are an apologist for evil.
They also have organizations that help men who suffer guilt [one way or the other] in regard to their own lost children.
No one wins with abortion.
You claim abortion is a heinous act AGAINST women, yet you seem to completely ignore the fact that WOMEN choose to have abortions. That may well be the so called “pro-life” movement’s position, but it’s reveals their hypocrisy.
Abortion is murder! That’s what they claim, but they clearly don’t believe it. Or, if they do believe it, they have this great logical disconnect going on. Oh, those poor, widdle women who just can’t understand it’s wrong to murder their babies! Poor, delicate flowers they are, being preyed on by those terrible, murderous abortion doctors.
What a load of crap!
The person who hires a hitman is just as guilty as the hitman—maybe even worse. You’re a gynocentric apologist for women and part of the problem yourself. By denying the true moral gravity and evilness of what these women choose to do, you are probably preventing them from true repentance and forgiveness. Why repent if one isn’t guilty, right? And that’s exactly what we see from many pro-abortion and, surprisingly, pro-life women.
Don’t call it murder if you’re not willing to treat it as such!
Poor, delicate flowers they are, being preyed on by those terrible, murderous abortion doctors.
A good start to understanding why women are considered victims [in abortion] is told in this documentary, “Blood Money.” If you can watch it [this is just the trailer], and not feel any empathy at all toward the woman, you better get an ultrasound yourself, to see if you still have a heart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLf7qfRVy3k
I agree the abortion industry targets women, but that doesn’t absolve a woman from having the final say over what happens to her body and the unborn. It may be a mitigating factor, but it doesn’t make them innocent victims. Show me a woman who was raped or lacks the mental capacity to know that sex leads to pregnancy, and I’ll agree they’re innocent. Otherwise, the woman must bear responsibility for the bad choices she makes.
If the pro-life movement refuses to assign blame where it rightly belongs, they are a part of the problem. A murderer’s upbringing may be considered during sentencing, but it does not absolve them of being guilty of murder. Yet, you seem to believe that women lack agency to make decisions as rational, thinking human beings. They’re controlled by the media or whatnot. Again, that’s a big part of the problem.
Morally, women need to accept responsiblity for their actions and stop deflecting blame on society, the abortion industry, or men. To be blunt, they need to grow up and start acting like adults who take responsibility for bad choices. If anything, I actually care about women more than you think, because I know the only true path to healing is to accept responsibility for what one has done! Blaming others is what children do.
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