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What US birth certificate? He was born in Canada, but you you knew that.
Posted on 03/20/2016 11:46:56 AM PDT by conservativejoy
Maybe you didn’t read the “in his jurisdiction” part of my comment?
It means nothing unless and until taken up at SCOTUS.
Your standard has never been THE standard. It’s just that the true standard has never been tested before.
They certainly would not have thought Barry Soetoro/Barck Hissein Obama, British subject and Indonesian citizen was eligible, he was not a citizen at the tme of the adoption of the Constitution so the natural born citizen part should have been applied. He’s not one.
The judge based his opinion on a memo. The same memo that states every anchor baby has the right to be president. You don’t see a problem with that.
Gee, were Trump’s Lawyers arguing the case?
If not, the Headline is ignorantly misleading at best or intentionally deceiving at worst..
The Judge didn’t rule against Donald Trump’s Birther Claims since he was not part of the Case.
If you aren't following a thread, you shouldn't comment on it.
The OP that started this thread made a claim that it was incredible that "no one covers" "the fact" that Ted Cruz would be the first President not actually born in the US.
No one covers it, because it is not "a fact." NONE of the Founders were born in the United States. Attempts to salvage his fraudulent abuse of history by attempting to change the subject do not change the historical record.
English Common Law was NEVER adopted as the law of the United States, despite its prevalence in many of the individual states. In fact most of the Framers were actively hostile to the notion. Most certainle our citizenship would NEVER have been modeled on the English law which at the time did not even cosider the notion of “citizenship”.
The English were subjects of the King, and we Americans determined that we would NEVER be subjects again. If yoy recall correctly, we fought a very tough war to establish just that.
It’s not “meaningless” in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
“Cruz could spend $10.00 at kinkos/staples (Mitt should get him the ex employee discount) and make copies of his US Birth certificate.”
Ted Cruz does not have a U.S. birth certificate, real or fake. If he tried to fake his birth certificate the way Obama did, he would not have had people in the State Department prepared to suppress the evidence the way they did so for Obama.
Of course he did. If he rules against the same claims that Trump would have made, he has made the same decision.
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What US birth certificate? He was born in Canada, but you you knew that.
That is the only point of my post to this historical ignoramus. Your attempts to divert the fact that a fellow Trumpbot was, as usual, loose with the record is a nullity in this discussion.
Your reply is ludicrous, the founders exempted themselves from the natural born citizen requirement but expected it to be followed after that. No President after those exempted has been born in a foreign country.
First, a memo produced in 1968 by Charles Gordon, then the General Counsel of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service, which says: “The Framers were well aware of the need to assure full citizenship rights to the children born to American citizens in foreign countries.” He also points out a 2011 Congressional Research Service Memo entitled the “Qualification for President and the ‘Natural Born’ Citizenship Eligibility Requirement.” The document concludes:
While at the immigration agency, Mr. Gordon argued eight cases before the Supreme Court. ‘’He was known as a liberal and someone in favor of a more open, fairer immigration policy,’’ Mr. Roberts said, but sometimes he had to argue positions with which he disagreed.
Best summation so far.
All I know for certain, is that if Miss Ralston, my 9th grade Civics teacher, had had the question of “what is a natural born citizen” as an exam question, and my answer was a guy who was born in Canada, whose father was a Cuban, she would have definitely marked that answer wrong, and probably would have kept me for an hour’s detention after school for a week for such an idiotic answer.
Does anyone besides me find these new definitions of natural born and presidential eligibility positively Orwellian? Pundits and media, and lawyers judges suddenly amazingly insisting that people with foreign born parent(s,) or who born in other countries with and who inherit citizenship in that country at birth, whose parents are illegal aliens, are somehow natural born American citizens?
And, we who were born and grew up in this country with American parents, wondering how this could suddenly be, when we and our American parents and grandparents were, and their parents and grandparents before them, were all taught something entirely different? And so we are called “birthers” which is supposed to be an insult!
And why does this not bother the Cruz supporters, who are supposed to be the ones who really care about the constitution more than anyone else, one little bit?
What element of the constitution will next be turned upside down? And will we again called names, the media and the pundits will try to cow us, even by our own side who somehow see a short-term benefit by redefining constitutional principles, never looking beyond the immediate moment. Is it so wrong to insist the constitution has unchangeable meaning, and that our judges and lawmakers, our politicians, our media, et al, not distort and twist that meaning? Is this, or is this not, a representative republic?
Don’t let the fact that all those guys were born in the commonwealths of the original 13 colonies get in your way either, FRiend.
This is my position. They didn't follow the rules with Obama, so we don't have to follow the rules with Cruz.
We don't know that Obama is not foreign born. There is some evidence to suggest he was actually born in Canada.
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