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Loving Our Stuff, but Hating the People Who Sell It to Us
National Review ^ | 03/20/2016 | Kevin Williamson

Posted on 03/20/2016 10:38:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 03/20/2016 10:38:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the raging a-hole who said white blue collar America was a moral cesspool that deserves to die.

I refuse to even click on the link and contribute to the fantasy that article traffic means people agree with him.

FUKW.


2 posted on 03/20/2016 10:40:56 AM PDT by 20yearsofinternet (Border: Close it. Illegals: Deport. Muslims: Ban 'em. Economy: Liberate it. PC: Kill it. Trump 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind
We also have work-force shortcomings: We have the best workers in the world, and lots of them, but at the same time we have a large body of low-skilled but relatively expensive workers who haven’t shown themselves eager to be trained up for new job and expanded opportunities. You could build a major manufacturing facility in Detroit or California’s Central Valley — but you’d have to import skilled workers to operate it.

See what welfare begets? Why bother to work when the taxpayers are forced at gunpoint to subsidize your inactivity?

3 posted on 03/20/2016 10:42:36 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, he is right on this issue.

We have bought quite literally TONS of stuff each manufactured elsewhere.

So that is on us.


4 posted on 03/20/2016 10:45:21 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: SeekAndFind
We love our stuff, and we hate the people who make them and sell them to us.

Ever notice how the pundits and political elite can never make a rational argument?

They just toss out emotives to maneuver the weak-minded into feeling 'bad' if they don't agree.

5 posted on 03/20/2016 10:48:35 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: 20yearsofinternet

RE: This is the raging a-hole who said white blue collar America was a moral cesspool that deserves to die.

In what article did he say that? Could you provide us with a source?


6 posted on 03/20/2016 10:49:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t hate them, but I do think our country would be better off if we weren’t so dependent upon imports. More people employed, more wealth created and retained in the domestic economy. Cheap is only going to get us so far. There will come a point when even cheap isn’t cheap enough for so many lacking the income to buy much of anything.


7 posted on 03/20/2016 10:52:45 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Lorianne
We have bought quite literally TONS of stuff each manufactured elsewhere.

So that is on us.


No, sorry, it is not "on us". TONS of "stuff" is ONLY "manufactured elsewhere". If it were a level playing field TONS of "stuff" would be manufactured here.
8 posted on 03/20/2016 10:53:32 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: SeekAndFind

In what article did he say that?


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3408340/posts


9 posted on 03/20/2016 10:53:35 AM PDT by 20yearsofinternet (Border: Close it. Illegals: Deport. Muslims: Ban 'em. Economy: Liberate it. PC: Kill it. Trump 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind
If U.S. firms were to capture one-third of the German automobile market, they’d have 1 million sales per year to divide up among them. If German firms were to capture one-third of the U.S. market, they’d have about 2.5 million sales to divide among them.

Wait... In the U.S. (pop.: 330 million; 7.5 million cars sold per annum), only about two-and-a-half times as many automobiles are sold than in Germany (pop.: 75 million; 3 million cars sold per annum), which has less than a quarter of the population?

Regards,

10 posted on 03/20/2016 10:54:17 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I post this regularly on threads like this. The author makes a number of very good points. "Free trade" is a complicated issue built on several simple underlying influences:

1. In any financial transaction, buyers will seek the lowest price possible for the type and quality of a product or service they are buying. At the same time, sellers will look for the highest price possible.

2. An employment arrangement involves a "buyer" (the employer) and a "seller" (a worker).

3. One of the simple realities of an economy is that a worker will usually demand far more for his/her services than he/she would ever pay another worker for the same services.

Point #3 underlies almost every policy decision that is made by a government, and every business decision that is made by a private employer, in an advanced country like ours where labor costs are extremely high. "Free trade" gives us the ability to do things in a foreign trade situation that we'd never be allowed to do under the law right here in the U.S. -- namely, paying workers less than our statutory minimum wages, buying products that are made in factories that violate every environmental standard under our laws and fail to meet minimal worker safety standards, etc.

11 posted on 03/20/2016 10:54:53 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: alexander_busek

Somebody’s mistaking total production in Germany for the domestic market in Germany, not taking exports into account.


12 posted on 03/20/2016 10:55:11 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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No, I don’t “hate” China.

No, I don’t “love” my stuff.

I have no problem buying things made in other countries. They are filling the void left by our government to enrich themselves. I would do the same thing.

I do have a problem with trade deals that put us at a disadvantage because the other side has benefits that we don’t because of the taxes and regulations imposed on us by a feral federal government.

So yes, I hate our federal government for being the traitorous bastards they’ve become.

I’ll throw in that during this campaign season, I’ve come to despise The National Review, another cadre of traitorous bastards.


13 posted on 03/20/2016 10:57:24 AM PDT by upsdriver (I support Sarah Palin.)
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To: GLDNGUN

Agreed.


14 posted on 03/20/2016 10:58:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 20yearsofinternet

Here’s what he said:

“If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy—which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog—you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that,”

I would have to say that the situation he said is true to a certain extent in many White communities. The problem I have with him is he GENERALIZES it to every single white community without differentiating those who are truly hurting with those who are irresponsible.


15 posted on 03/20/2016 11:00:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: GLDNGUN

Don’t agree.
We like cheap stuff.
Cheap stuff requires cheap labor.

It’s on us.


16 posted on 03/20/2016 11:06:22 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: RegulatorCountry
Somebody’s mistaking total production in Germany for the domestic market in Germany, not taking exports into account.

Are you saying that I am making a mistake? Because the article clearly equates "German automobile market" with "sales per year in Germany" etc. and no where mentions auto production.

I mean, if I were to talk about the New Jersey "market for rickshaws" and the "sales per year" of rickshaws, then one would clearly expect that I am talking about the sale of rickshaws in New Jersey (which used to be the world's number-one manufacturer of rickshaws, although virtually none were put to use in New Jersey, itself).

If what you are saying about exports was indeed the author's meaning, then do you agree that he could have expressed that more precisely?

Regards,

17 posted on 03/20/2016 11:07:38 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If flip flops were made in America, you would buy one pair and then never have to replace them because they wore out. America is capable of making very high quality highly durable products and we generally do. That which is made in China is generally puposely built with a short life span via “planned obsolescence”. Your Chinese flip flops may last you the summer. This is an imperfect analogy of course. I have observed this planned obsolescence to be especially prevalent in wal wart kitchen gadgets. I am convinced that the manufacturers sit around in meetings devising ways to make their junk fall apart faster and more effectively. That is one of my biggest problems with foreign goods, it’s all junk and I don’t know that our landfills can sustain this trade policy for much longer.


18 posted on 03/20/2016 11:07:53 AM PDT by RC one
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“Kevin D. Williamson is roving correspondent for National Review.”

Williamson is a pygmy columnist who fancies himself cut from the same cloth as H L Mencken. He is not. He wants to write rough and tough but he lost out on the intelligence aspect. He shaves his head as compensation.


19 posted on 03/20/2016 11:09:19 AM PDT by odawg
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To: Lorianne
Don’t agree. We like cheap stuff. Cheap stuff requires cheap labor. It’s on us.

It doesn't matter whether you "agree" or not. If I can't buy something "Made in the USA", that's a FACT, not an opinion.
20 posted on 03/20/2016 11:10:47 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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