Posted on 03/09/2016 3:47:24 PM PST by navysealdad
New footage has emerged that was taken by one of the passengers in the car with LaVoy Finicum that detail his final moments during an encounter with Oregon State Police and the FBI.
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I am sorry to say that I appreciate your angst. Not that I would wish ill to you, just that you are waking up to what happened to LaVoy like so many others.
For awhile it seemed as though no one cared. Reading some of the posts on here, maybe people truly have become scared and are self censoring so it won’t be them next.
I will buy his book to show my support.
You won’t be sorry. It is a fiction novel but he supports it with footnotes and facts. It also has a Warning that states, “To my friends, neighbors and citizens of this great land, please reflect on the events written herein. As most of us have only known peace and plenty, it is hard to believe that such things as war and famine can ever happen here. Nevertheless, the history of the world both ancient and modern teaches us otherwise. Whenever a dominant nation of the earth collapses, the record is one of horror and suffering.
Atrocities greater than what is written in this book were personally experienced by one of my own family members. It would be unwise to cling to the unfounded confidence that ‘it won’t ever get that bad.’ It is my belief that freedom will arise again in this land, but only after much blood and suffering. This is my witness and my warning.” LaVoy Finicum
What kind of a state are you guys running out there?
State police don't sneak around in the woods. Their dress blues would get dirty, their pants would lose the crease, and their snappy hats might get moss or twigs on them. :)
He had NOT run a roadblock. Unknown people had come up behind him, and I believe he stopped to see what was what. I don't think they stopped him from behind.
That's when one of the unknowns fired upon the truck when Ryan Payne stuck his hands out the window. Now, the apologists want to contend that the shot was a "non-lethal round", but that's a lot of hooey. If the shoe was on the other foot, the local DA would have the shooter up on attempted murder charges so fast it would make the peasant's head swim. So, we can dismiss that contention. The unknowns shot at Finicum.
So, Finicum apparently got pumped up, and started daring the shooters to shoot him, since they'd already tried once.
The apologists contend that he was asking for suicide-by-cop. I disagree - I see an honest man reacting to unidentified lawless highwaymen. The unknowns finally identify themselves as "Oregon State police", which is why I posted the WTF - state police don't slink around in the woods out of uniform, in my experience.
Eventually, Finicum decides to seek REAL law enforcement - the Sheriff that they were going to meet with originally.
He proceeds down the road at a good clip, just over normal highweay speed (about 60 mph - another freeper did an analysis of the video) - and rounds a blind corner to discover the road completely blocked by more unknown vehicles. He instantly brakes, but realizes he's going too fast to stop for the poorly set roadblock. So he dives for the ditch.
As they come to a stop, Finicum bounces out of the truck as an fbi sniper tries to shoot him through the driver's side passenger window. You can see the glass shatter as Finicum moves by it on the in-truck cellphone video.
His hands are raised, so they're trying to kill an unarmed, surrendering man.
We can totally disregard the narrative advanced by the fbi SAC Bretzing, since he was undoubtedly aware at the time of the phony press conference that his man has discharged a couple of shots at Finicum - and he knew when those shots were fired.
Now that the fbi people have been busted by the Deschutes County Sheriff, it changes the game.
In relation to the incompetently positioned roadblock around the blind curve:
Three Supreme Court cases are used in the discussion of roadblocks:
> Brower v. County of Inyo
> City of Canton, Ohio v. Harris
> Tennessee v. Garner
A quote from a discussion paper from the DOJ:
Fixed roadblocks, which block road to extent that little or no outlet remains.
"Fixed roadblocks are extremely dangerous and are rarely justifiable."
They set up around a blind curve. It's not going to go well for them in civil court. :)
Haven't seen it reported. FBI probably knows.
I watched this guy stir the pot of what the public was seeing of this and he turns out to be the inside man doing wet work for the FBI!
Meet Mr. Mark McConnell. Oh yeah, I'm sure thats his real name.
This man seems to be able to convey a few of my feelings about all this. Not all, but a few.
Per the video YOU linked to, shots can be heard being fired at 5:42 as LaVoy was exiting the pickup WITH HIS HANDS RAISED. A full 10 seconds before YOU wanted us to “start” watching.
I guess we can blame that little “oopsie” on your non-mojo half?
I don’t waste much time on the Non believers. They are usually influenced by a lifetime of government employment. It is clear to anyone that is capable of discerning truth from lies that the “authorities” terrorized these people and they were the only ones to shoot in this “shoot out.”
What I ask is, what did the authorities see in LaVoy that made him a target worthy of extermination? They clearly made a decision to target and take out a white, Christian, Constitution teaching, freedom loving, second amendment supporting, Family man, Leader, Peaceful Protester and Rancher.
The officers that were interviewed following the murder of LaVoy state, “They watched numerous videos online.” Have you watched LaVoy’s videos? He was not an evil, criminal whacko. What is wrong with these authorities? How can they perceive him so differently?
I know the answers to my questions are pretty scary now aren’t they?
I've always acknowledged that shots were fired as he appeared to be trying to run the barricade.
What the video shows, and what you can't deny, is that once he exited the truck he ignored repeated demands to get on the ground, he kept shouting to the police to shoot him, and reached inside his jacket. All this after claiming publicly that he would rather die than go to jail and fleeing from the first stop.
It was more than 10 seconds from the time he exited the truck until he was shot.
As I've said, there's enough blame to go around but one only has to view that video to know that LaVoy was unstable and fully intended to go out in a blaze of glory.
I also think those who say the LEOs were out to kill him from that start aren't looking at what actually happened. They had hundreds of opportunities to shoot him earlier in the sequence and did so only after he reached inside his jacket for what turned out to be a gun.
Yes, I have. Absolutely.
every. one. of. them.
Contained within the videos is the answer to your question of what the authorities saw that made him a target worthy of extermination. A soft spoken, clear-in-his-convictions, freedom-loving American. That just terrified the bejeezus out of them.
What they failed to foresee is that by murdering LaVoy, their actions drew people's attention (such as me and others like myself) away from the sideshow that is the primary race for next pResident to more pertinent pressing issues facing this warming pot-o-frogs.
What YOU seem to be trying to deny - which is shown clearly in the very video YOU posted is that as soon as he exited the vehicle, his hand went straight up and a shot was fired at him shattering the rear driver side window.
I've always acknowledged that shots were fired as he appeared to be trying to run avoid killing or injuring himself and others by veering away from the illegally placed (and might I reiterate, hidden around a blind curve and stretching from snowbank to snowbank with NO safe lane of passage) barricade.
It was more than 10 seconds from the time he exited the truck until he was shot.
But not more than 10s post exiting that he was shot AT - and YOU cannot deny that without "a willing suspension of disbelief."
As I've said, there's enough blame to go around but one only has to view that video to know that LaVoy was unstable and fully intended to go out in a blaze of glory.
That is YOUR interpretation, others have a right to draw different conclusions as to just who was unstable during the encounter in that video.
I also think those who say the LEOs were out to kill him from that start aren't looking at what actually happened. They had hundreds of opportunities to shoot him earlier in the sequence and did so only after he reached inside his jacket for what turned out to be a gun.
Well qualified - these are YOUR thoughts. Thank You for sharing them. Makes one's predispositions easier to identify.
As for the "hundreds of opportunities" prior to taking out this dangerous brushfire starter, here are a couple of MY thought as to POSSIBLE thoughts of those calling the shots (pun purely co-incidental): an arrest while meeting with Ward or his lackeys or simple sniper shot as he was walking to/from a daily press conference wouldn't create the right media narrative or give the same Viagra-mimicking effect to the HRT and paramilitary OSP boys, now would it?
...an arrest while meeting with Ward or his lackeys or simple sniper shot as he was walking to/from a daily press conference wouldn't create the right media narrative or give the same Viagra-mimicking effect to the HRT and paramilitary OSP boys, now would it?
Your low opinion of law enforcement notwithstanding, I was referring to other opportunities earlier in the arrest sequence. For instance as he sat motionless in his truck, with his head sticking out the window asking the OSP to shoot him.
Don't forget, if you assume the dark law enforcement conspiracy theory then there was no reason to do anything but kill him right off the bat. There were no media or other witnesses there and we all know everyone was in on the conspiracy.
Why even let him flee from the first stop?
My but you sure are pushing that narrative hard, half-charm.
And Mike Brown.
"Investigators"?
Sorry, unless the investigators are Deschutes County Sheriff personnel, they can be considered to be lying, like the FBI personnel, including the SAC Bretzing [is that "lying sac"? LOL!], who undoubtedly knew at the time of his dog-and-phony show press conference that one of his guys had fired rounds at Finicum while he had his hands up.
Here's one of the lies of the investigators:
"A state police van chasing him did manage to stop."
Because they knew where the hidden, blind-curve roadblock was. These murdering leos must think all the peasants are stupid.
I'll go fish up the video. What's cool is that Finicum hit the brake lights IMMEDIATELY when he saw the blind-curve roadblock, and you can see it on the video. We know the approximate length of his truck, and we can measure the truck-lengths easily. I'll bet money the "investigators" are lying. Because that's what most of the leos in this case did. :)
Still blows me away that Deschutes outed the liars. I would have loved to been a fly on the wall at that particular conversation.
OK. You're off into fringe conspiracy land.
As the man said, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Godspeed.
Thanks for your corrections to the dubious statements of our leo fanboy. :)
I believe I posted the three Supreme Court cases dealing with "roadblocks" [a "seizure" under the Fourth Amendment] in post #506. Of course, the apologists who we are trying to educate have no interest in the actual facts, even though NORMAL posters would read the post and try to redefine their understanding of the situation in light of the new facts.
The apologists have their talking points, and as we've seen, will twist themselves into pretzels trying to regurgitate them back to us.
Until you post the information DIRECTLY to the apologists, they get to pretend that they didn't see it.
> Brower v. County of Inyo
> City of Canton, Ohio v. Harris
> Tennessee v. Garner
A quote from a discussion paper from the DOJ:
Fixed roadblocks, which block road to extent that little or no outlet remains. "Fixed roadblocks are extremely dangerous and are rarely justifiable."
They set up around a blind curve. It's not going to go well for them in civil court. :)
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