What YOU seem to be trying to deny - which is shown clearly in the very video YOU posted is that as soon as he exited the vehicle, his hand went straight up and a shot was fired at him shattering the rear driver side window.
I've always acknowledged that shots were fired as he appeared to be trying to run avoid killing or injuring himself and others by veering away from the illegally placed (and might I reiterate, hidden around a blind curve and stretching from snowbank to snowbank with NO safe lane of passage) barricade.
It was more than 10 seconds from the time he exited the truck until he was shot.
But not more than 10s post exiting that he was shot AT - and YOU cannot deny that without "a willing suspension of disbelief."
As I've said, there's enough blame to go around but one only has to view that video to know that LaVoy was unstable and fully intended to go out in a blaze of glory.
That is YOUR interpretation, others have a right to draw different conclusions as to just who was unstable during the encounter in that video.
I also think those who say the LEOs were out to kill him from that start aren't looking at what actually happened. They had hundreds of opportunities to shoot him earlier in the sequence and did so only after he reached inside his jacket for what turned out to be a gun.
Well qualified - these are YOUR thoughts. Thank You for sharing them. Makes one's predispositions easier to identify.
As for the "hundreds of opportunities" prior to taking out this dangerous brushfire starter, here are a couple of MY thought as to POSSIBLE thoughts of those calling the shots (pun purely co-incidental): an arrest while meeting with Ward or his lackeys or simple sniper shot as he was walking to/from a daily press conference wouldn't create the right media narrative or give the same Viagra-mimicking effect to the HRT and paramilitary OSP boys, now would it?
...an arrest while meeting with Ward or his lackeys or simple sniper shot as he was walking to/from a daily press conference wouldn't create the right media narrative or give the same Viagra-mimicking effect to the HRT and paramilitary OSP boys, now would it?
Your low opinion of law enforcement notwithstanding, I was referring to other opportunities earlier in the arrest sequence. For instance as he sat motionless in his truck, with his head sticking out the window asking the OSP to shoot him.
Don't forget, if you assume the dark law enforcement conspiracy theory then there was no reason to do anything but kill him right off the bat. There were no media or other witnesses there and we all know everyone was in on the conspiracy.
Why even let him flee from the first stop?
Thanks for your corrections to the dubious statements of our leo fanboy. :)
I believe I posted the three Supreme Court cases dealing with "roadblocks" [a "seizure" under the Fourth Amendment] in post #506. Of course, the apologists who we are trying to educate have no interest in the actual facts, even though NORMAL posters would read the post and try to redefine their understanding of the situation in light of the new facts.
The apologists have their talking points, and as we've seen, will twist themselves into pretzels trying to regurgitate them back to us.
Until you post the information DIRECTLY to the apologists, they get to pretend that they didn't see it.
> Brower v. County of Inyo
> City of Canton, Ohio v. Harris
> Tennessee v. Garner
A quote from a discussion paper from the DOJ:
Fixed roadblocks, which block road to extent that little or no outlet remains. "Fixed roadblocks are extremely dangerous and are rarely justifiable."
They set up around a blind curve. It's not going to go well for them in civil court. :)
Pathetic. If a poster brings up "inconvenient true facts", they're a "conspiracy nut".
Kind of like 0Muslim & his supporters scream "RACISS!!!" - when everyone knows that Muslim isn't a race.
Everyone also knows that OSP "pretend soldiers" aren't REAL soldiers.
And boy did they show it while they were gunning down Finicum in cold, jittery blood... :)