Posted on 03/09/2016 3:47:24 PM PST by navysealdad
New footage has emerged that was taken by one of the passengers in the car with LaVoy Finicum that detail his final moments during an encounter with Oregon State Police and the FBI.
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Only if one believes that the POLICE/FBI had no previous knowledge of the situation (involving Finicum). They knew where he was going and why.
Remember, women are told if they are pulled over by unidentified Police, especially in a remote or dangerous area, they are to drive to a police station before stopping.
Finicum was on his way to the Sheriff.
If they wanted to arrest him for some trumped up felony, why did they even let him get in his vehicle to begin with ?
Traitors are surrendering US land to Russians, Uranium for speaking fees!
https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-foundation-payoffs-promised-hammond-ranch-other-publically-owned-lands-russia/ ^
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=1
His death was easily avoidable & totally unnecessary.
If there was a long barreled revolver, it would be shown to us in HD, 24/7! Stills, video, molecular metallic analysis, etc. ad nauseam.
Many are standing up to say that this was wrong and illegal. Please read below
3/8/2016
COALITION OF WESTERN STATES CONDEMNS MURDER OF LAVOY
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9sfuFGghY
Synced cell phone, drone, audio and video regarding the shooting of LaVoy Finicum show conclusively that LaVoy was being shot at with his hands up as he exited the vehicle AND BEFORE there was any alleged attempt to reach for a gun.
Furthermore, the use of a Deadman’s Roadblock in and of itself was a LETHAL USE OF FORCE LIKELY IN VIOLATION OF EXISTING LAW AND/OR POLICY as described below. Therefore, this was clearly an unjustified shooting and serves to show that the massive overreach and unconstitutional and illegal actions of the Federal Government now extend to murdering innocent Americans. The Coalition condemns in the strongest possible terms what is now conclusively proven to be the murder of LaVoy Finicum. We applaud the investigation of the agents involved for misconduct. http://www.oregonlive.com/…/oregon_standoff_fbi_agents_und.…;
However, that is not enough. The terrorizing of rural America must end. Should Americans be shot so the Federal government can control more land? No. The answer instead is for all of us to defend freedom locally and demand control over public lands be returned to the states.
Detailed Reasons
A Deadman’s Roadblock is a roadblock where there is no way to pass through usually on the blind side of a curve in the road. In Brower v. County of Inyo, (interestingly enough penned by the late Justice Scalia) the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the use of such a roadblock in a similar situation as the case with LaVoy Finicum, was a seizure under the 4th Amendment and that such a roadblock was the lethal use of force. Consequently, whether that was “reasonable” under the circumstances becomes the question.
In most states like, Washington the use of a Deadman’s Roadblock is extremely limited. We have not been able to obtain a copy of the Oregon State Police Regulation Manual; Washington’s manual is instructive:
WSP Regulation Manual (2010), Page 83, Chapter 4, Vehicular Pursuits, C. Roadblocks, 1. A roadblock is a barricade using vehicles or other obstruction (excluding the Hollow Spike Strip) across a roadway set up to stop or prevent the escape of a fleeing vehicle. 2. Roadblocks may be used to apprehend fleeing felons when necessary, provided: a. A description of the suspect(s) and suspect vehicle is available (the description must be adequate for proper identification). b. Supervisory approval is obtained. c. An “escape route” is left available. d. The suspect(s) is wanted for any of the following: (1) Homicide, (2) Robbery in the first degree, (3) Rape, (4) Assault with intent to kill or felonious assault, (5) Prison escape (involving a felon).
LaVoy was not wanted for Homicide, Robbery in the first degree, Rape, Assault with intent to kill or felonious assault, or Prison escape PRIOR TO THE ROADBLOCK.
Therefore, this was an unjustified use of lethal force and not reasonable under the circumstances especially since LaVoy clear stated his intent was to “go get help.”
In Freedom,
Coalition of Western States
Weren’t they talking on air about where they were going.
And they must have known the FBI was after them.
Some of you guys are kind of naive about how this stuff works. If you hang your head out the window and tell the cops to shoot you, they might just accommodate you.
“There was no continuous shooting after Finicum was down. He was shot 3 times. Any shooting after that was the teargas/pepper spray rounds and flashbangs being shot at the truck to encourage the occupants to give up.”
WHAT???? Are you deaf as well as blind?
What exactly did these people do other than drive down a public road? The Gestapo was lying in wait to MURDER them.
Was this overkill?
Heads will roll over this. Thank God they had that cell phone going.
Oh and by the way, just because you tell law enforcement to shoot and or kill you, they aren’t allowed to do so.
I'm not talking about Finicum. I'm talking about the other man in the truck who DID SAY THAT after repeated shots were fired at the vehicle (whether they were lead bullets, rubber bullets, flash bangs, pepper shots, I cannot say).
Now, If Finicum was a wanted felon armed with a gun, why did the cops let him get into his vehicle in the first place ?
So if he was shot why did he not fall from the bullet impact? Gun shots do not mean a hit. However he did go down hard after he was hit. You think those LEO’s are using pellets? Or BB’s?
All he had to do was not try to run the road block. Use of a lethal weapon - aka a vehicle. The whole thing stinks and Finicum was the one crapping outta his mouth.
Note to self: do not try to run police road blocks and then jump out of the truck aggressively yelling at the cops.
That might be easier if you can explain why the state police and FBI contrived this situation that ended in a man's unnecessary death 's the first place.
You are trying to isolate just the roadblock and subsequent shooting, and say it was all done legally.
I get that. Sure, they didn't use lead bullets on the other occupants of the vehicle. But they didn't have to do anything but ask them to come out with their hands up.
Again, why were the Oregon police/FBI set up to stage a road block on a guy that they had 'in their sights' and could have arrested before he even got on the road ? Why didn't they want him to go see the Sheriff ?
All he had to do was not try to run the road block.
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He came around a blind corner, and there was the blockade.
No way to stop in time. Winter. Roads maybe wet, slick.
He took to the snow to avoid vehicular collision and any human injury (to him, his passengers, and cops).
This is not running the road block.
Exactly the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KecQ41pbPiM&feature=youtu.be
Watch this version of the video with just Shawna’s phone/camera view.
How anyone can justify this is beyond me. They had 3 people trapped as though in a cage and they terrorized them. This is not a 3rd world country and the FBI are not the Mafia. This is unacceptable. We are innocent until proven guilty.
Weren’t they talking on air about where they were going.
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Cel phones quit working, but had been.
Jammed?
They planned and executed an ambush, pretty clear what they had for a goal.
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It was a legal roadblock, and I believe they had a warrant for his arrest. Finicum certainly believed there was a warrant and he stated previously in reponse to that belief that he’d rather die than go to jail.
People caught in an ambush don’t have an opportunity to repeatedly tell police officers that they’ll have to shoot them which is what Finicum did, and is recorded in the video.
Many here are speaking of a “felony stop” or a “high risk stop” and since it was one of them then the outcome is a little more understandable.
My question is this. Why did the officers not take him into custody during the first stop? The officers had the truck surrounded and were talking to the occupants for what seemed like forever before LaVoy took off.
It really seemed more like the officers wanted him to keep going rather than taking him at the first stop. Like the pursuing officers were the hammer and the anvil was set up down the road.
Which is unbelievably scary considering these are straight up infantry tactics.....by the federal government against an American citizen.
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Please, read this: http://libertynews.com/2016/01/editorial-team-our-official-review-analysis-of-lavoy-finicum-shooting-was-he-murdered-or-killed-reaching-for-a-weapon-video/
And this: http://bearingarms.com/oregon-state-police-justified-shooting-oregon-bundy-protestor/
You are correct - telling the cops to shoot you doesn’t justify them doing so. I never said it did. I was answering the comment that said “I heard him saying STOP STOP.” And I would add that if you do something stupid and threatening, like reaching for a gun, even if he HAD been yelling STOP STOP, they’d still be justified in shooting him.
having seen the tape and audio. i think i understand what he was doing, overall.
i believe he was incrementally resisting without physical response (passive resistance) in order to give the individual law-enforcement officers room and time to decide to disobey their superiors’ orders and back off as they should have. there was no threat whatsoever here to the public.
i think he was very determined to carry that civil-disobedience strategy out until they either killed or captured him. he may have also been trying to protect his passengers at the same time by drawing attention and fire away from them and to him.
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