Posted on 03/09/2016 3:47:24 PM PST by navysealdad
New footage has emerged that was taken by one of the passengers in the car with LaVoy Finicum that detail his final moments during an encounter with Oregon State Police and the FBI.
(Excerpt) Read more at truthinmedia.com ...
All,
I know the story is LaVoy had a 9mm auto in his pocket.
Has his family said he owned a gun like the one described?
Hey, watch all you want. You might learn something about how to process information and come to a valid judgment about what happened, instead of jumping to your tiny little walnut-size brain conclusion about government agents intent on murder.
There's more fog than a Navy destroyer's smoke generator from this one...
I keep hearing that it a was a stolen gun, but that might be misinformation.
My initial response to you about whether they’d been fired at already at the first stop: 106 posted on 3/9/2016, 9:32:56 PM by RightFighter
Wow, you mean I had 3 whole minutes to do research, and not the 10 seconds that you thought I had? Crazy that I could do that much research in 3 minutes, I know!
I heard stolen too but no confirmation. Weird that a constitution loving, 50+ yr old rancher would steal a gun and if he did would he really steal a 9mm auto. Seems like he would be more of a revolver guy as most of his photos seemed to show.
There you go again!
I didn't post anything on this thread about "government agents intent on murder".
I've just been pointing out to the uninformed LEO boosters that law enforcement had already fired a first shot at Finicum when we join the video in progress.
Oh - and I've been pointing that out to liars, like yourself. :)
Alot of really fishy parts to this story. Hammer and anvil tactics complete with sniper locations with prepared fields of fire, possible drop guns, agents not disclosing firing weapons, family autopsy showing 9 bullet wounds feds showing 3, everyone and their dog rounded up and thrown in jail, the list goes on and on.
We...are.....so......screwed.
I’ve watched the VIDEO you’re referencing. You’re wrong on the timeline. THEY HAD NOT BEEN SHOT AT YET at the point where they were asking the officers to identify themselves.
I realized perhaps there was something NOT IN THE VIDEO that you were referencing, although you'd clearly implied that all I'd need to know would be found in the video. So, quick Google search, and I find out that you were right about a shot prior to the first stop. I immediately corrected myself, TWICE.
This is a DEFINITIVE statement.
We real freepers try to avoid definitive statements on controversial questions before getting the facts.
Yet that's what you did. Why are you trying to generate so much fog on this?
It's not working, you know.
You're outed. :)
I have a little more skill in these "search" matters than you, and it took me more than three minutes to find it, even though I was specifically looking for it.
You already knew it, but you were trying to sandbag people.
How would you have any idea how much skill you have in “search” matters in comparison to me? Googling the phrase “was Finicum shot before first stop” takes you to this page of Google results:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=was+finicum+shot+before+first+stop
And the third link, which looked the most promising, had the following Q&A, question #3:
Q. Which shots fired were nonlethal ammunition vs. lethal? Pictures would help.
A. Investigators said eight lethal rounds were fired – three by a state trooper as Finicum’s truck approached the roadblock, two apparently by an FBI agent after it crashed into the snow and three by two state troopers at Finicum. A state trooper fired one nonlethal round at the first traffic stop. Various officers fired nonlethal rounds at the pickup after Finicum was shot, but authorities haven’t provided a count. The police released photos of the truck, which we have posted online with this story.
But golly, surely that would take someone hours to find. I guess you’re right.
OK, we'll attribute it to a lack of communication on my part. I wasn't clear which person I meant said it, when I first made the comment.
However, by that point, the cops were going to guarantee compliance by those in the vehicle, so they began shooting flashbangs and teargas or pepper spray.
Which only makes one lay flat in the vehicle and pray you live. It does nothing to encourage the occupants to simply open the door, get out with their hands up and surrender. Especially when it continues, and continues, and REMEMBER THIS... those people didn't know whether the cops were using LEAD BULLETS or Pepper spray shot. The sound one hears inside the vehicle is the same and every time they poked their heads up, they were targeted with lasers. What in the hell would make one want to get out of the vehicle , protected by metal, while shots were still being fired ?
The goal was to make those in the vehicle understand that there was no escape.
Of course. Now... there were multiple police vehicles following them, there were multiple police vehicles blocking the road ahead.
They ran off into a deep enough snowbank to halt the vehicle and immobilize it..
They were surrounded by an unknown but large number of COPS/FBI with Swat gear on and there were likely snipers up on the hill above the roadblock.
The driver of the vehicle was laying on the ground dead.
How could they possibly have even thought there was a way to escape ?
Once Finicum was dead, why was there a need to terrorize the other occupants of the vehicle ? None of them were reported to be armed. Three were women. Two were young girls. Couldn't the police have ordered them out of the car, since the vehicle was stuck and the cops had surrounded the vehicle ?
I get what you are saying about 'procedures' and what I'm saying is that police are also supposed to use only the force necessary, are they not ? This was way beyond what was needed, and they knew exactly who the others were in the vehicle. It's not like the cops were afraid they would be surprised or overcome by the occupants.
That they didn’t do that shows what a lie it is to say the cops just wanted to murder Finicum.
Maybe they didn't want to murder him (but wait, you said he asked them to kill him, and they were granting his wish, so... going by that logic, they did want to) but you must admit they did kill him.
In which case I was going to point out that you were HOTLY ENGAGED with another poster [Delta 21] while you were "researching".
Liar. LOL! :)
They did kill him. Has ANYONE said that the cops didn’t kill him? They didn’t MURDER him. Huge, huge, chasm of a difference between those two words.
In answer to your other points, I’ll just ask this - what happened when the cops finally stopped? The occupants of the vehicle got out and surrendered peacefully, right? Do you think that, back at the first stop, if Mr. Finicum had decided that he wanted to live to fight another day, he could have surrendered, along with the rest? Or do you think they were going to “murder” him no matter what that day?
Still can't figure out what his goal is. He's a persistent one, even after being outed.
Once Finicum crashed, got out, and was shot, what did the other occupants do that was wrong ?
He'd already been shot at by unidentified armed men. He was going to seek a REAL law enforcement official - not some camoed thugs in the forest.
But we've already explained to you many times what was going on. You don't seem to want to acknowledge that Finicum had been shot at.
Most times adrenalin kicks in and you don't feel it when you have a major injury. Been there, done that.
Yeah, supposedly reaching for a stolen 9mm that nobody knew he had. Why would he have a stolen gun when he had his own.
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