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A different picture of quantum surrealism
Cosmos Magazine ^ | Feb 22, 2016 | Cathal O'Connell, science writer based in Melbourne

Posted on 02/22/2016 10:57:24 AM PST by Reeses

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To: linear
Isaac Asimov’s main character, Harri Seldon, in the Foundation Trilogy thought that it was possible to predict the future in probabilistic terms. It worked pretty well... except for the Mule; a “random mutation.”

It is, of course, fictional but the concept is interesting.

In theory one should be able to account for even random “mutations” if said being knows everything there is to know.

21 posted on 02/22/2016 12:36:23 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: I want the USA back

Maybe so. In that case, there is another plane of existence that we currently can’t view, that the energy that composes ‘potential particles’ lives in.


22 posted on 02/22/2016 12:37:22 PM PST by servantoftheservant
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To: dhs12345

I loved those books as a kid. But I seem to recall the Puppeteers were meddling to keep everything on track?


23 posted on 02/22/2016 12:39:06 PM PST by linear (Fealty to no man or party.)
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To: chrisser

Likewise...

The reason is it becomes almost purely mathematical.

A particle is no longer a “spherical object” like a ball or a planet; it is a mathematical equation.


24 posted on 02/22/2016 12:45:33 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Reeses

A wave is a shape in this context, not a thing. The surfing idiom refers to particles following a wave-shaped probability curve, in essence being “pushed” or floating upon the laws of probability.


25 posted on 02/22/2016 12:46:29 PM PST by linear (Fealty to no man or party.)
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To: linear
Yup. Benevolent beings. Not Gods per se. But they have in interest in the future of mankind.
26 posted on 02/22/2016 12:47:50 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Your desk lamp begs to differ. Lol


27 posted on 02/22/2016 12:47:52 PM PST by linear (Fealty to no man or party.)
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To: linear

Not by us. Too many variables.


28 posted on 02/22/2016 12:50:53 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: linear

Ya. Or the brick wall when I drive my car into it.

Now if someone could build a device that would allow me to drive through the wall without “interacting with it,” then that would be pretty cool. :)


29 posted on 02/22/2016 1:00:20 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: linear

I think you are confusing Asimov’s Foundation universe with Niven’s Known Universe. It has been 20 years since I read Asimov, but I don’t remember any Puppeteers. In the late books of the Foundation series Asimov did have humaniform robots who carried over from the I, Robot series of books, particularly Daneel Olivaw, who had evolved the 3 laws of robotics to include a Zeroth law to protect all humanity.


30 posted on 02/22/2016 1:03:13 PM PST by Flying Circus (God save us!)
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To: dhs12345

All you need to do is shrink yourself down to Planck scale! Then you can drive through it, or detour to the other side of the universe to go around it. But you will never know until you get there! :)


31 posted on 02/22/2016 1:05:48 PM PST by linear (Fealty to no man or party.)
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To: SuzyQue

And none of them “linear.” Or at least we don’t have a way to describe them accurately.

Why the whole global warming modeling thing bugs me. Then again, I am no expert but there are definite limitations to the science and even more limitations to the models.


32 posted on 02/22/2016 1:05:51 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Flying Circus
Actually, it was in the later book — that explained everything.

It is a common theme throughout Asimov’s books. He ties it together in the last book.

SPOILER ALERT! Email me if you want to know.

33 posted on 02/22/2016 1:10:28 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Flying Circus

You are absolutely right, I did conflate them. No Puppeteers.


34 posted on 02/22/2016 1:11:43 PM PST by linear (Fealty to no man or party.)
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To: Flying Circus

Never mind. I didn’t read your complete post.


35 posted on 02/22/2016 1:15:33 PM PST by dhs12345
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Weirdly, the choice made by the experimenters in how to measure the polarisation determined which slit the first photon went through - as if interfering with one particle caused the other to change direction instantaneously. This kind of bizarre phenomenon is exactly what Einstein had in mind when he dubbed it "spooky action". Physicists have seen evidence of it before, but never in such a direct fashion.

I'm no quantum physicist so don't take my theory too seriously but here is how I look at it: the spooky action at a distance happens because the particles are not really two separate things, they are one thing that, in our world (universe, whatever), encounter interference such that they appear to be separate. They're connected "before" they're perceived here, and "after."

Laugh, sure. But it helps me read about this stuff.

36 posted on 02/22/2016 1:15:37 PM PST by Buttons12
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To: Buttons12

Interesting theory and very possibly true. Interesting that you included time as a variable.


37 posted on 02/22/2016 2:06:09 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

The Foundation was behind the scenes guiding events. I accepted that when I read the books.

Now, I wonder about their nature. Some on the left talk breezily today about “changing human nature.” Is this a Marxist Foundation? Yes, or no, it presumes they know what is best and are entitled to manipulate others.


38 posted on 02/22/2016 4:45:08 PM PST by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress in 2006.)
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To: ChessExpert

But there was another entity watching and guiding based on “the three laws.”


39 posted on 02/22/2016 8:41:28 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Jeremiah Jr

Nassim laughs.


40 posted on 02/22/2016 8:49:12 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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