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To: Robert DeLong
No, that's called projection. You're to caught up in all the Trump mania to take a hard look and analyze his record. Like you, I liked the buzz surrounding Trump's remarks on immigration but once you sort through the hype and look back at his record you find holes and a large canyon in 2013. Ted Cruz has nothing to do with my position and really avoided going after him until January. You did attempt to misdirect me and spin the comments Donald Trump made against Mitt Romney to give a misleading impression that they're consistent with anything but pandering to Hispanics and supportive of amnesty. You ignored his reference to comprehensive reform and continue to spin. I would point to his 2013 meeting with a Democrat Strategist and three DREAMer activists that were on tour. They evidently "convinced him" on the issue and he admitted to employing illegal aliens in Miami. I would point to his support for a path citizenship in remarks to the press in Chicago endorsing amnesty. I would point to Eric Trump's complaint about the media ignoring their swift reentry upon deportation. I would point to his "big open door" in reference to building a wall on the southern border. I am sure you'll spin that as well but he clearly did support amnesty and he has no record of opposing the Gang of 8 immigration bill. Jeff Sessions has stated that Ted Cruz was right along side him fighting it and Trump supporters overlook it or intentionally ignore it. Ted Cruz supports making E-Verify a requirement. Cruz was running for Senate on building a wall and his amendment was thwarted in committee. Is Ted Cruz the perfect candidate on the issue? Absolutely not. As I said, I am completely opposed to any effort to legalize law breaking otherwise called amnesty. We do not owe illegal aliens anything nor are they entitled to anything because use they utterly disregard American laws and sovereignty. I want American soldiers on the border defending our country. Mark Kirkorian formerly at CIS summed up my take on Trump and immigration..he made it an issue for 2016 but that's the extent of it and you can't seriously support him. There is a Latino vote because of prior amnesty and anchor babies. Its absurd that illegal aliens can birth US citizens and to his credit Trump made that an issue. If you want address Ted Kennedy's immigration bill in 1965, I don't see you as being serious about undoing the problem. It opened up America to the entire third world and the Democrats are importing their constituents. I've already went on record saying I will take Trump as a secondary choice very reluctantly with huge misgivings as a protest againat the GOPe if somehow Ted Cruz was not the nominee.
110 posted on 02/20/2016 11:11:18 AM PST by A Conservative Thinker (Ted Cruz 2016 - Trump in '04: "I probably identify more as Democrat")
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To: A Conservative Thinker
No I think I was correct tunnel-vision, and here's why.

You focus entirely on what Donald Trump has said in the past while total ignoring what he has said in recent times.

Here is Donald Trump's immigration reform plan. In contrast here is what Ted Cruz recently had to say with regards to immigration reform as he will deal with it. In many ways they are the same. I do not honestly believe Trump will round them up either, except when it comes to gang-bangers. I think it will take force and Donald will employ force there. But Donald actually goes a few steps further than Ted that will facilitate their leaving. I will leave it up to you to read his statement rather than provide it here. Since Ted was a Johnny come lately to stating he would deport those here illegally, he must have had some other plan in mind for them, like perhaps amnesty. Now let's take on Romney's plan, self-deportation, really? That's an effective plan? It may indeed be what happens, but other things have to happen first. Again Donald discusses those at the link as well. Obviously, at least to me at any rate, there is nothing mean with regards to Romney's plan to deal with illegals. Since he used the word Republicans, we must conclude it was intended to be taken separately and not directly referring to Romney. I am under the opinion Donald totally underestimated the power the press has in formulating people's opinions. Do you think he might have a clue now? I think he does.

The only thing I am caught up in doing is what is best for this country, and hopefully you have the same goal. We just disagree whom we think will be more successful. But my biggest concern is Ted's eligibility, for I do not believe he qualifies as a natural born citizen. By the mere fact that it can be a topic of question, makes me certain of my belief. His being a citizen is without question. But he is citizen by virtue of what Congress has stated with regards to children born out of the country where at least one parent is a citizen. A natural born citizen would be someone where there is zero doubt of their citizenship. Born in this country and both parents are American citizens are the only ones who rise to the criteria satisfying natural born status.

I do not operate in the manner you accuse me of. I do not knowingly misdirect anyone or employ spin tactics. Instead I gave you my interpretations. In that case it was of Donald's statements. If you don't accept my interpretation that's fine. You are certainly free to interpret as you choose. However, you are not free to cavalierly accuse me of anything.

I didn't ignore comprehensive reform at all, in fact I underlined and bolded that very line. What exactly does comprehensive reform mean to you? To me it means an all encompassing reform, and in this case he is referring to immigration. It neither implies or makes reference to amnesty.

The tweet you reference from 2013 clearly states: Congress must protect our borders first. Amnesty should be done only if the border is secure and illegal immigration is stopped. From that you interpret he is supportive of amnesty. However, I think you are overlooking the fact a few months earlier the immigration bill was submitted by Schumer and cosponsored by seven other Senators, or the Gang of 8 as they were later referred to. That bill called for amnesty. So as I read his tweet I see him as opposing the bill, and calling for border security before any talk of amnesty can continue. When that has been accomplished we can then talk about amnesty. It in no way implies to me his support or rejection of amnesty.

As for the big open door statement, he was, again as I read it, signaling that America is and always will be very supportive on immigration.

I have said many times now that I have given kudos to Ted Cruz on numerous occasions and he was my man, even after Donald Trump had entered the race. It really was a slow migration to Trump. It started when I came to the realization that this topic would not even have become an issue if it hadn't been for Donald. Furthermore, I realized that Ted Cruz could not have raised the issue. It had to be someone like Donald Trump. He had the money to finance his own campaign. His motivation? To me it was to give people a choice of someone to attack this problem and fix it. The straw that finally made me a Trump supporter was Ted's eligibility issue. Get a ruling Ted. I may not agree with the ruling but I can at least hang my hat on it. If you seriously think this will not become a real issue in the general election, think again. With the unfortunate passing of Anthony Scalia, it may prove to be an even bigger problem, and one that throws the election to the Democrat nominee.

Mark Kirkorian also said: if mass legal immigration is permitted to continue, the Right is finished. Even I could tell that is a reality, but apparently many Republican politicians believe they are conservative because many Hispanics are religious. It's just not the case. Yes, we have to fix this problem and fix it now. We also need to rollback the legal immigration flow, because the 1965 bill sponsored by Ted Kennedy, passed by both House of Congress in Democrat control, and signed into law by the President, also a Democrat; threw the doors wide open. This immigration bill not only allowed Africans and Asians, who were previously prohibited, the right to immigrate here. In addition it increased numbers for Southern and Eastern Europe and reduced numbers from Northern and Western Europe. During debate on the Senate floor, Senator Kennedy, speaking of the effects of the act, said, "our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset". Boy was he ever wrong, and even perhaps intentionally misleading. Either way, bad for America, and bad for Americans.

I had honestly hoped that the riff between Donald and Ted would cease and the possibility of them joining to form a knockout ticket would happen. I think that horse may have left the barn now though. But let's pray that happens.

115 posted on 02/21/2016 7:47:21 AM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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