Free Republic didn’t even have user registration when I made my first post.
I’d be dead before I could get through 18 years of posts to find my first.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2946821/posts
Mindless Violence in Response to a Video that is Offensive to Muslims
The statements of President Obama and his spokesman Jay Carney describing the Benghazi murders were clearly and repeatedly stated and are fully documented and archived.
The murders were described as “senseless violence†and “mindless violence†by President Obama and “in response to a video that is offensive to Muslims†by Secretary Carney.
On Sept. 12, 2012 President Obama stated, “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence.â€
On Sept. 14 Secretary Carney repeatedly described the murders as “response to a video, a film that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting.â€
On Sept. 25 President Obama also characterized the murders in this same fashion in his speech at the UN, stating, “That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world.†The President later continued, “There is no speech that justifies mindless violence. There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There’s no video that justifies an attack on an embassy.â€
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Below are larger excerpts from the 9/12/12 Rose Garden Speech; the 9/14/12 Carney Press conference and the 9/25/12 UN speech of President Obama.
Links to full text are provided.
9/12/12 Rose Garden
The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack.
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Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.
9/14/12 Press Briefing
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 9/14/2012
James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
11:42 A.M. EDT - 12:38 P.M. EDT
(excerpts)
Q Jay, as you know, the unrest in the Middle East is spreading to other embassies — U.S. embassies. The President’s critics are saying this is an indictment of his handling of the Arab Spring, that this has given rise to further inflamed sentiment among Islamists. What’s his response to that?
We also need to understand that this is a fairly volatile situation and it is in response not to United States policy, not to obviously the administration, not to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting. That in no way justifies any violent reaction to it, but this is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at U.S. policy. This is in response to a video that is offensive to Muslims.
Again, this is not in any way justifying violence, and we’ve spoken very clearly out against that and condemned it. And the President is making sure in his conversations with leaders around the region that they are committed, as hosts to diplomatic facilities, to protect both personnel and buildings and other facilities that are part of the U.S. representation in those countries.
. . .
Q Wouldn’t it seem logical that the anniversary of 9/11 would be a time that you would want to have extra security around diplomats and military posts?
MR. CARNEY: Well, as you know, we are very vigilant around anniversaries like 9/11. The President is always briefed and brought up to speed on all the precautions being taken. But let’s be —
Q But saying you’re very vigilant and being very vigilant are different things.
MR. CARNEY: Jake, let’s be clear, these protests were in reaction to a video that had spread to the region —
Q At Benghazi? What happened at Benghazi —
MR. CARNEY: We certainly don’t know. We don’t know otherwise. We have no information to suggest that it was a preplanned attack. The unrest we’ve seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims find offensive. And while the violence is reprehensible and unjustified, it is not a reaction to the 9/11 anniversary that we know of, or to U.S. policy.
Q But the group around the Benghazi post was well armed. It was a well-coordinated attack. Do you think it was a spontaneous protest against a movie?
MR. CARNEY: Look, this is obviously under investigation, and I don’t have –
Q But your operating assumption is that that was in response to the video, in Benghazi? I just want to clear that up. That’s the framework? That’s the operating assumption?
MR. CARNEY: Look, it’s not an assumption —
Q Because there are administration officials who don’t — who dispute that, who say that it looks like this was something other than a protest.
MR. CARNEY: I think there has been news reports on this, Jake, even in the press, which some of it has been speculative. What I’m telling you is this is under investigation. The unrest around the region has been in response to this video. We do not, at this moment, have information to suggest or to tell you that would indicate that any of this unrest was preplanned.
What is true about Libya is that — well, a couple of things. One, is it’s one of the more pro-American countries in the region. Two, it is a very new government; it is a country that has just come out of a revolution and a lot of turmoil, and there are certainly a lot of armed groups. So the fact that there are weapons in the region and the new government is not — is still building up its capacities in terms of security and its ability to ensure the security of facilities, is not necessarily reflective of anything except for the remarkable transformation that’s been going on in the region.
Q Jay, my last question. It was said that what happened on 9/11 was a failure of imagination, failure of American policymakers and counterterrorism officials to anticipate the kind of attack that could have taken place. This would seem to be the exact opposite. Was this a failure by the Obama administration? Did the President and his administration mess up in any way?
MR. CARNEY: Jake, again, what we have seen is unrest around the region in response to a video that Muslims find offensive, many Muslims find offensive. We have seen incidents like this in the past, in reaction to other actions — cartoons and other actions that have been taken, that have been — have led to protests and violence in the region. And we have managed those situations, and we are working to ensure that our diplomatic personnel and our diplomatic facilities are secure as we deal with the response to this video, which we believe is offensive and disgusting.
Q So that’s a no? Entirely the fault of the filmmaker?
MR. CARNEY: Again, I don’t think — I think you have to understand what is happening currently in the region and what it is a response to. This is not — this has been in –
Q I don’t think I need to understand that. I think the people who protect the embassies need to understand it.
MR. CARNEY: The cause of the unrest was a video, and that continues today, as you know, as we anticipated. And it may continue for some time. We are working with governments around the region to remind them of their responsibilities to provide security to diplomatic personnel and facilities, and we are ensuring that more resources are put in place to protect our embassies and consulates and our personnel in these parts of the world where unrest is occurring.
Q Thank you.
Q You’ve mentioned a number of times now that this was in response to a video or a film. Would you not agree, though, that it’s moved beyond that? That some are stirring violence by focusing on U.S. policy, or targeting the U.S. in general? That it’s no longer just about the film?
MR. CARNEY: Well, the reason why there is unrest is because of the film; this is in response to the film. I don’t doubt —
Q Well, that’s what sparked it. You think that’s what sparked it.
MR. CARNEY: We do think that’s what sparked it.
Q Right. But it’s moved beyond that, hasn’t it?
MR. CARNEY: Well, I don’t — we obviously are not polling protesters to find out what their motivations are. There is no question that there’s anti-American sentiment in various countries around the Middle East; that’s not a discovery I think we’ve made today. What is the case is that the protesters in these countries are not representative of the broader sentiment in those countries, at least in the sense that — sentiment that would say that the reaction, the proper reaction to a film that is offensive is violence. As I said yesterday, that’s not in keeping with Islam, and it’s certainly something that we do not accept. And we have made clear to leaders in the region that they need to make clear that it is not an acceptable reaction to a film, however offensive it might be.
Again, this is not a film that the United States government had anything to do with. We reject its message and its contents. We find it both disgusting and reprehensible. America has a history of religious tolerance and respect for religious beliefs, and that history goes back to our nation’s founding. But there is absolutely — as I’ve said, absolutely no justification at all for responding to this movie with violence, and we are making — we are working, rather, to make sure that Muslims around the globe hear that message.
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Q Okay. And if I could just follow up on — you earlier said the cause of the unrest was a video, then you repeated something similar later on. And I just want to be clear, that’s true of Benghazi and Cairo?
MR. CARNEY: I’m saying that that — the incident in Benghazi, as well as elsewhere, that these are all being investigated. What I’m saying is that we have no evidence at this time to suggest otherwise that there was a preplanned or ulterior instigation behind that unrest.
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Q Jay, one last question — while we were sitting here — Secretary Panetta and the Vice Chair of the Joint Chiefs briefed the Senate Armed Services Committee. And the senators came out and said their indication was that this, or the attack on Benghazi was a terrorist attack organized and carried out by terrorists, that it was premeditated, a calculated act of terror. Levin said — Senator Levin — I think it was a planned, premeditated attack. The kind of equipment that they had used was evidence it was a planned, premeditated attack. Is there anything more you can — now that the administration is briefing senators on this, is there anything more you can tell us?
MR. CARNEY: Well, I think we wait to hear from administration officials. Again, it’s actively under investigation, both the Benghazi attack and incidents elsewhere. And my point was that we don’t have and did not have concrete evidence to suggest that this was not in reaction to the film. But we’re obviously investigating the matter, and I’ll certainly — I’m sure both the Department of Defense and the White House and other places will have more to say about that as more information becomes available.
UN 9/25/12
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/25/remarks-president-un-general-assembly
Remarks by the President to the UN General Assembly
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That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity.
It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well — for as the city outside these walls makes clear, we are a country that has welcomed people of every race and every faith. We are home to Muslims who worship across our country. We not only respect the freedom of religion, we have laws that protect individuals from being harmed because of how they look or what they believe. We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them.
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And on this we must agree: There is no speech that justifies mindless violence. There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There’s no video that justifies an attack on an embassy. There’s no slander that provides an excuse for people to burn a restaurant in Lebanon, or destroy a school in Tunis, or cause death and destruction in Pakistan.
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Carney goes on at length about how this is nothing but a response to the video and has nothing to do with US policy and is not a pre-planned attack.
It is a long excerpt but worth the read.
Obama continues these claims 11 days later at the UN.
It is not hard to know the facts and it was not described as terrorism but senseless violence due only to the video.
Old timers will not be able to.
257 post 37000 replies don’t have the time but I’m sure it was about Clinton.
To Noah:
How long did you say it rained?
(Too far back)
Sheehan Considering Run Vs. House Speaker Pelosi
7/8/2007, 11:45:21 PM · 133 of 143
Califreak to SevenofNine
I am amused, terrified and nauseous all at once. I’m so disgusted I’m almost thinking why bother to vote? Not one of them can be trusted-Rep OR Dem. They’re all a bunch of greedy, crooked whores.
Some things never change. :)
glasseye to SAMWolf
I had a problem too....but it was with flea-dipping, 6 cats. I simply put them into travel carriers and lowered them into a large bucket of flea-dip. Boy, wish I had a wave file of the sounds these ‘kittys’ made, still makes me shiver. But it was quick for the kitty and I lost no blood. :-) (and yes, they still hate me)
There may be some notes to really important posts that alamo girl kept in her downside legacy of Bill Clinton at http://www.alamo-girl.com/
Here is an example
Freeper report 9/13/98 Ruffled Feathers "The Same source who told Ruffled Feathers - correctly 2 weeks ago, that the Starr Report was ready to go, has some interesting information about what's to come. The Lewinsky report, was exactly what David Kendall has said it is -a personal attack on the president, designed to embarrass and humiliate Bill Clinton. But... For Damn sure... Starr hasn't even begun to show his hand. In the course of the 4 year, 40 millon dollar investigation, Starr has uncovered a vast array of criminal activity by the First Felons. Racketeering, Bribery and indeed a startling number of violatins against the RICO act. Source said, Bruce Lindsey is extremely nervous about his role in these events.If the American people were shocked by Starrs XXX recommendations to Congress, they will be blown away, by the other criminal activities that will go public, if Bill Clinton trys to make good on his promise to *fight this to the bitter end*. "
Not possible. FR lost it’s posting history back in 1998 or so.
Well I found the first comments I made sort of. Would appear they were deleted. Only reason I remember what thread it was on was subject matter and searched by keyword and year. I found this site by mistake and found a story about Katy, Texas and the Mosque next to a pig farm, and how the muslims told the pig farmer to move. I remember being so shocked FReeper “Deport” (Post 32 below) had named the pigs “Mohammads bacon” and “Sadam’s Hope”. I’d never seen humor so outlandish that is why I joined up. I love you guys and your wild sense of humor.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1760265/posts?q=1&;page=1
Not the first post, but the first there is a record of:
AL GORE QUOTES
August 1, 1999 at 11:15:56 AM MDT · by woofie
Various news sources
don’t forget about these from our (Current) VP, Al Gore: “If we don’t succeed, we run the risk of failure.” “Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.” “I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change.” 5/22/98 “One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is ‘to be prepared’.” 12/6/93 “Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.” 11/30/96 “The future will be better tomorrow.” “People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact ...
'Jim, looks like a great forum! FYI, there is an IL State Senator named Obama who I've got a bad feeling about.'
| clin-ton (clint’ n) [after Bill Clinton, late 20th century disbarred U.S. president whose administration is remembered primarily for impeachment, corruption and scandals. Commonly referred to as: DIRTPOTUS…Disbarred Impeached Rapist Treasonous President Of The United States] and as ’Clinton bin Lyin’ --n. 1. Any lewd advance towards a person of the opposite gender, usually involving touching …*The boss did a clinton on his defenseless secretary* 2. Any instance of speech or conduct involving calculated deception …*The press conference on Kosovo was a real clinton* 3. Clintonitis A virus enduring all immune-system countermeasures of rejection …*Clintonitis is like a case of a sexually transmitted disease that just won't go away. The full extent of the pernicious aliment politicus Clintonitis, long unmentionable in mixed company, has intruded in full disgusting conspicuousness upon the national consciousness. * 4. clintonoid To adhere to, defend and support blindly, regardless of evidence, to speak with guile and malice; possessing the worst attributes of the First Felon ….* The clintonoid presstitutes, Brokaw, Jennings, Rather, Rivera, continued to spike all news detrimental to the administration.* --vt. 1. To grope a person of the opposite gender in an unwelcome, unwanted manner …*He tried to clinton the man’s wife* 2. To communicate in a manner which clouds the truth by omitting essential information, or by playing with the meaning of words, or by other such deceptive means …*He clintoned his answer so much that nobody understood it* 3. To shamelessly promote a falsehood as the truth…*"Ken Starr – out of control," clintoned the media. President Bush’s Economy was the worst in the last 50 years was largely clintoned by the mainstream press * --vi. 1. To act in a boorish manner while self- righteously maintaining the appearance of dignity …*He continued to clinton while the polls held up* --adj. 1.Characterized by sleaziness or deceptiveness, lacking moral guidance …*It was a classic clintonian response* or *America’s downfall was due to the clintonization of society* 2. To foster divisiveness among races, creeds, genders, generations, classes, occupations, political parties…*The clintonized warring factions were not willing to enter peace talks* |
November 11, 2001 at 8:55:29 PM PST · 8 of 24
roadcat to stilts
The Saudis are rich. I say we employ Arab tactics, and blackmail them for a handout of cash and then say we MAY consider changing our minds. Of course, if we use Arab tactics that means we can take the money and then spit in their faces.
I ain't losing sleep over the Saudis' grief! Thank God we have Dubya in charge.
I do remember that my first post was one that I said Hi. I don’t remember the thread it was said in.
I also remember being accused of being a liberal by somebody, just after i posted my greeting post.
This is as far back as I can find. It is from about the right time. From one of the Romney/Obama debates
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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:22:49 PM · 7 of 10
Fai Mao to Snuph
I tried to watch some of the debate but I can’t listen to Obama talk. As an academic myself he reminds me of the nontenured Associate Professor who is a boring demagogue in love with his own voice. He is pedantic, self-referential, shallow and closed minded or at least he comes across that way. The finger pointing the posturing the whole of his body-language is simply off-putting, at least to me. I’ve had more than my fair share of experience with those guys after a BA, BS, MLIS, PhD and I have had to evaluate the teaching of several others as a department head. Listening to Obama just brings back too many bad memories of Grad School and unpleasant tenure recommendation committee meetings.
Geezers-Cheeses I wouldn’t vote for the guy even if I agreed with him.
I don’t really see how any one could say he did well tonight.
This seems to be it:
To: cornelis
In The Descent of Man, published in 1871, Darwin outlined the basic reasoning that still stands today concerning the races of mankind. Darwin pointed out that if we used the techniques that naturalists used to identify race in nonhuman species, we would conclude that there really were no races in anatomically modern humans.
This is an outrageous misrepresentation. Here's Darwin:
There is however no doubt that the various races, when carefully compared and measured, differ much from each other, - as in the texture of the hair, the relative proportions of all parts of the body, the capacity of the lungs, the form and capacity of the skull, and even in the convolutions of the brain. ... The races differ also in constitution, in acclimatisation, and in liability to certain diseases. Their mental capacities are likewise very distinct; chiefly as it would appear in their emotional, but partly in their intellectual, faculties.
What Darwin argues, and what makes him liberal for his time, is that these differences are not enough to make different species out of the races, and that the variation among races is small compared to the features which distinguish humans from the other animals.
190 posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:10:48 PM by dr_lew