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To: angryoldfatman

But let’s say for the sake of argument that Darwinian theory is solid and true. Where does that leave us?

We are mere animals, doomed to extinction at some point in the course of our universe’s continued churning.

This is inevitable. If our lives were ultimately formed by the bumping together of atoms and molecules (and the products thereof) for eons upon eons, then it will end the same way.

Thus, science is futile and ultimately useless.

Therefore, your arguing about whether this little sticking point or that little mote of science is absolutely and positively precise and accurate is a futile, useless gesture that is a waste of time and space.

And if science is the crowning achievement of mankind, then that makes mankind essentially a waste of time and space, as is anything and everything that exists. Existence falls to non-existence, thus waste.

Too bad, so sad. Must be a real bummer to believe all that. And if you don’t agree with even a small part of that, you are either inconsistent or delusional.

Hmmm, that last part sounds familiar, doesn’t it? ;-)


25 posted on 02/11/2016 8:30:56 AM PST by angryoldfatman
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To: angryoldfatman
angryoldfatman: "We are mere animals, doomed to extinction at some point in the course of our universe's continued churning."

I think what you're missing is a clear idea of the boundry line separating science and religion.
Today's word "science" is short for the term our Founders used: "natural-science" which they derived from the ancient term "natural-philosophy".
Today's science -- natural-science -- is based on some hugely important assumptions including: 1) there are natural explanations for natural processes, and 2) natural processes we see today operated the same way in the past.

So, the importance of science's natural assumption is that as soon as you attempt to answer your welt-angst questions by leaving the natural realm, now you've also left science for the realms of philosophy, theology and religion.
Science, by definition, cannot answer, stubbornly refuses to answer, such questions.

angryoldfatman: "Thus, science is futile and ultimately useless."

Philosophically... religiously, of course, since science was never intended to address such matters.
But science is vastly greater than "futile" or "useless" in devising methods for feeding, clothing, housing & finding employment for now seven point something billion human beings.

And anybody can easily see that while science continues to advance by orders of magnitude every generation, philosophically we are still stuck in the 1848 Revolution and Marx's Communist Manifesto, while any religious ideas are poisoned by political correctness and therefore are withering on our spiritual vine.

All of that is true, but the fault is not science, it's our own fallen natures, and our eagerness to close our eyes to the light of theological truth. </metaphor>

angryoldfatman: "And if science is the crowning achievement of mankind, then that makes mankind essentially a waste of time and space, as is anything and everything that exists.
Existence falls to non-existence, thus waste."

These are lessons most people first learn in their sophomore year, hence the term: sophomoric.
No, mankind's "crowning achievement" is not science, but rather long before there was such a thing as "science", in a place called "Golgotha", the crown was made of thorns.

Doubtless you remember it, FRiend.


28 posted on 02/11/2016 10:35:29 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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