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Carson, Not Cruz, At Fault for Iowa
Granite Grok ^ | 2/7/2016 | Donald Ewing

Posted on 02/07/2016 4:26:52 PM PST by conservativejoy

Who's to blame for the rumor that Ben Carson was suspending his campaign after the Iowa caucus?

Was it CNN which accurately reported that Ben Carson was returning to Florida after the caucus, wouldn't go to New Hampshire or South Carolina, would go to the Washington prayer breakfast, would be speaking at 9:15 regardless of the caucus results, and speculated that a serious Presidential candidate wouldn't act this way? Was it the CNN tweet: "After the #IAcaucus, @RealBenCarson plans to take a break from campaigning."

Was it the Marco Rubio campaign that "was pushing the narrative hard" that Carson was dropping out? Was it the Ted Cruz campaign that passed the CNN report to its caucus leaders? Was it the Rand Paul campaign that apparently did the same?

Was it Carson's staff which, hearing of the CNN report, didn't correct the speculation? Or was it the Carson campaign itself for giving CNN the information that led to the report and the subsequent speculation which they reported as "Breaking News"?

The media, the political establishment, and his political opponents say the caucus winner, Ted Cruz, is to blame.

Did Ted Cruz or his campaign create the news or speculation? No.

Did they invalidly pass on the CNN report? No.

Was the Carson campaign prevented from correcting the impression given by the CNN report? No.

Is there evidence that a single vote was changed? No.

Would Carson have place third or higher if the CNN information hadn’t gotten out? Not likely, Carson needed 25,000 votes to move into third place. Carson placed where the polls projected, fourth.

Since the Iowa Donald Trump has viciously attacked and lied about Ted Cruz's role in what happened; that is the price of beating Trump who is sore loser, but a loser none-the-less.

Hypocritically, Marco Rubio has joined the attacks on Ted Cruz who he can't best on the issues.

And the media, which wants an establishment candidate, a RINO, to win the primary, has also been attacking Cruz. To create a false impression the media withholds the actual information, e.g., the actual CNN report and the related tweets. The media doesn't ask why the Carson campaign provided the information (unusual for a serious candidate) that caused the speculation?

For the timeline of this situation with the CNN report and the tweets, see: Link

Imagine for a moment if the tables had been reversed, if Cruz had done exactly like Carson did and leaked the plans to CNN, neglected to get CNN to correct their report, neglected to inform caucus workers that the CNN report was false, and in fact even made such strange plans that caused the speculation by not going directly to the next primary state, New Hampshire, or the primary after that, South Carolina, for several days, in fact didn't hold a single public event (as far as I can tell, he didn't even arrive here apparently until Friday or Saturday) between the caucus and Saturday night’s debate.

What if Cruz had done what Carson did and Trump had been aware of the information, the speculation, and passed it to his caucus coordinators? What would be said?

Everyone would say what a stupid and poorly managed campaign Cruz was running, and how that showed he wasn't prepared to be President.

Everyone wants to take out Cruz, so they blame him for Carson's blunders. Cruz is the target because he is the biggest threat to Trump, to the establishment, and, after Trump who they think they can take down eventually, to his competitors.

I admire Dr. Ben Carson; he would be a fine President. I will happily vote for him if he is the Republican nominee. But he is running a strange campaign, and his own actions and his campaign are to blame for what happened in Iowa. I am disappointed that Carson is trying to blame someone else for his campaign's mistake, it is unworthy of him.


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To: nclaurel
Produce the lie with direct quotes. I'll look for your response.

The lie is that you Cruz supporters insist that against all evidence to the contrary that the Cruz campaign didn't lie about Carson. And worse as Christians you say the lie is ok anyway because Carson isn’t polling well. Cruz campaign did lie.

You claimed that Cruz lied. And then you called lying a sin, which it is. So I asked you a very simple thing. To produce the lie with direct quotes.

You didn't do that.

As I said, produce the lie with direct quotes. And once again I'll look for your response.

41 posted on 02/07/2016 5:10:45 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: skeeter

I at least point out only truth about cruz.


42 posted on 02/07/2016 5:14:07 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Amendment10

So CNN, who is now trashing Cruz in a CYA effort, was in cahoots with Cruz? Is that your theory? Sheesh!


43 posted on 02/07/2016 5:23:10 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: zerosix

Trump was on CNN this morning whining that he only lost because Cruz stole Carson’s votes. The man is delusional sometimes.


44 posted on 02/07/2016 5:23:14 PM PST by rwh
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To: conservativejoy

Oh, okay, I get it now.

Carson victimized Cruz.

Thanks for clearing that up for me yo.


45 posted on 02/07/2016 5:23:41 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: conservativejoy

Exactly


46 posted on 02/07/2016 5:26:18 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: conservativejoy

Yet Trump and his minions sure made the most of it.


47 posted on 02/07/2016 5:27:35 PM PST by D Rider
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To: conservativejoy

You are only convincing die-hard Cruz fans, everyone else sees it otherwise. Its already in the popular consciousness that Cruz cheated.


48 posted on 02/07/2016 5:31:23 PM PST by heights
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To: rwh
Unfortunately, it's contagious!t (I did hear Rush say some time ago that "Trump doesn't really believe some of his delusional statements, he just tosses them out to see what sticks!")

That to me is still delusional!

49 posted on 02/07/2016 5:37:37 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: rwh

Yes, because Trump’s base is small and maxed out, and Carson’s voters will automatically go to Cruz as their 2 choice.
Is that what Trump is hinting at?


50 posted on 02/07/2016 5:40:30 PM PST by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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To: gg188
"And Nixon was not responsible for Watergate. And Hillary was not responsible for Whitewater, Benghazi, email scandal, etc.

Spin, spin, spin"

Ah, yes. I see the analogy. Tweeting a CNN report accurately is the same as Presidential abuse of power and leaving Americans to die in Libya. Logic in Trump World, 101. Nuts.

51 posted on 02/07/2016 5:40:38 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: FreeReign

Cruz campaign sent out this lie but then you have seen it and are being a jerk. Here are the quotes you as some boss feel you can demand. Hopefully this meetings your DEMANDS. Message sent to all precincts:

“The press is reporting that Dr. Ben Carson is taking time off from the campaign trail after Iowa and making a big announcement next week. Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted Cruz.”

Followed by King Cruz national co-chair tweeting to precincts:
“Carson looks like he is out. Iowans need to know before they vote. Most will go to Cruz, I hope.”


52 posted on 02/07/2016 5:45:32 PM PST by nclaurel
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To: gg188

Blame Black man.


53 posted on 02/07/2016 5:50:44 PM PST by jennychase
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To: chris37

No you don’t get it at all. The guy who drove Carson’s numbers down in Iowa was Donald Trump who slandered Carson as a homicidal, pathological religious nut.


54 posted on 02/07/2016 5:55:01 PM PST by jwalsh07 (On)
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To: jennychase

You in charge of race baiting today for Trump? Fess up, you are really Al Sharpton, right?


55 posted on 02/07/2016 5:56:25 PM PST by jwalsh07 (On)
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To: jwalsh07

Yes, it’s Trump’s fault that Cruz lied to Iowa voters.

Quick, find someone else to blame, find as many people as you can!


56 posted on 02/07/2016 6:01:05 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: chris37

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. I can live with that.


57 posted on 02/07/2016 6:24:22 PM PST by jwalsh07 (On)
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To: jwalsh07

And live with it is what you will have to do.


58 posted on 02/07/2016 6:32:17 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: chris37

OK Chris!


59 posted on 02/07/2016 6:33:34 PM PST by jwalsh07 (On)
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To: conservativejoy
.........Carson didn’t campaign in N.H. and only showed up for the debate. Of course, he needed someone to drag his butt out onto the stage and that was someone else’s fault, too.

Harsh!

60 posted on 02/07/2016 7:02:25 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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