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Carson, Not Cruz, At Fault for Iowa
Granite Grok ^ | 2/7/2016 | Donald Ewing

Posted on 02/07/2016 4:26:52 PM PST by conservativejoy

Who's to blame for the rumor that Ben Carson was suspending his campaign after the Iowa caucus?

Was it CNN which accurately reported that Ben Carson was returning to Florida after the caucus, wouldn't go to New Hampshire or South Carolina, would go to the Washington prayer breakfast, would be speaking at 9:15 regardless of the caucus results, and speculated that a serious Presidential candidate wouldn't act this way? Was it the CNN tweet: "After the #IAcaucus, @RealBenCarson plans to take a break from campaigning."

Was it the Marco Rubio campaign that "was pushing the narrative hard" that Carson was dropping out? Was it the Ted Cruz campaign that passed the CNN report to its caucus leaders? Was it the Rand Paul campaign that apparently did the same?

Was it Carson's staff which, hearing of the CNN report, didn't correct the speculation? Or was it the Carson campaign itself for giving CNN the information that led to the report and the subsequent speculation which they reported as "Breaking News"?

The media, the political establishment, and his political opponents say the caucus winner, Ted Cruz, is to blame.

Did Ted Cruz or his campaign create the news or speculation? No.

Did they invalidly pass on the CNN report? No.

Was the Carson campaign prevented from correcting the impression given by the CNN report? No.

Is there evidence that a single vote was changed? No.

Would Carson have place third or higher if the CNN information hadn’t gotten out? Not likely, Carson needed 25,000 votes to move into third place. Carson placed where the polls projected, fourth.

Since the Iowa Donald Trump has viciously attacked and lied about Ted Cruz's role in what happened; that is the price of beating Trump who is sore loser, but a loser none-the-less.

Hypocritically, Marco Rubio has joined the attacks on Ted Cruz who he can't best on the issues.

And the media, which wants an establishment candidate, a RINO, to win the primary, has also been attacking Cruz. To create a false impression the media withholds the actual information, e.g., the actual CNN report and the related tweets. The media doesn't ask why the Carson campaign provided the information (unusual for a serious candidate) that caused the speculation?

For the timeline of this situation with the CNN report and the tweets, see: Link

Imagine for a moment if the tables had been reversed, if Cruz had done exactly like Carson did and leaked the plans to CNN, neglected to get CNN to correct their report, neglected to inform caucus workers that the CNN report was false, and in fact even made such strange plans that caused the speculation by not going directly to the next primary state, New Hampshire, or the primary after that, South Carolina, for several days, in fact didn't hold a single public event (as far as I can tell, he didn't even arrive here apparently until Friday or Saturday) between the caucus and Saturday night’s debate.

What if Cruz had done what Carson did and Trump had been aware of the information, the speculation, and passed it to his caucus coordinators? What would be said?

Everyone would say what a stupid and poorly managed campaign Cruz was running, and how that showed he wasn't prepared to be President.

Everyone wants to take out Cruz, so they blame him for Carson's blunders. Cruz is the target because he is the biggest threat to Trump, to the establishment, and, after Trump who they think they can take down eventually, to his competitors.

I admire Dr. Ben Carson; he would be a fine President. I will happily vote for him if he is the Republican nominee. But he is running a strange campaign, and his own actions and his campaign are to blame for what happened in Iowa. I am disappointed that Carson is trying to blame someone else for his campaign's mistake, it is unworthy of him.


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To: bigbob

I have an idea. Let’s all vote for the man who can’t wait to make deals with Communists Pelosi and Schumer! That’ll make America GREAT AGAIN!!


21 posted on 02/07/2016 4:46:04 PM PST by alstewartfan ("I came back as a large hippopotamus." Al Stewart)
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To: conservativejoy

Team Ted lied. Own it.

Check out the video in @CNNPolitics’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/696194244470509569?s=09


22 posted on 02/07/2016 4:47:33 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: conservativejoy
Unfortunately, the Cruz Derangement Impaired folks here, like their leader, can't accept reality - Cruz won, Trump lost, Carson got 10% and the talking Marcobot almost snatched 2nd place from The Donald!

I'd be frustrated and trying to find someone to blame too if I were lead on, for weeks to believe my guy was "going to win - YUGE and then he lost!

Reality bites again!

23 posted on 02/07/2016 4:48:55 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: alstewartfan

And you Cruz worhippers are so sad to defend a lie. Even Cruz admitted it was wrong but supporters maintain the lie is ok because it is alright to you to cheat someone who isn’t winning. Conditional honesty is not honesty. You would be totally incensed if it had been done to Cruz.


24 posted on 02/07/2016 4:49:25 PM PST by nclaurel
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To: conservativejoy

Nothing like blaming the victim for the cheating scandal. Some people are just shameless.


25 posted on 02/07/2016 4:49:43 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: HarleyLady27

Actually the Rubio and Paul campaign also pushed the CNN story hard. They get a pass with the media.

The CNN story was accurate. Carson didn’t campaign in N.H. and only showed up for the debate. Of course, he needed someone to drag his butt out onto the stage and that was someone else’s fault, too.


26 posted on 02/07/2016 4:50:09 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: napscoordinator
These useless blogs are only talking to a few people.

So are you. But that doesn't stop you from working your little fingers to nubs trying to convince everyone this non-issue matters.

27 posted on 02/07/2016 4:53:17 PM PST by skeeter
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To: nclaurel

The only thing Cruz apologized for is that he wished his campaign had followed up later when CNN issued a correction. Rubio and Paul’s campaigns also pushed the story, but since they didn’t win, they got a pass.

I guess Carson campaign precinct captains are mouth breathers incapable of correcting the info.


28 posted on 02/07/2016 4:53:46 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: napscoordinator; All
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These useless blogs are only talking to a few people. They mean nothing.


Useless blogs. Really ?

Next, you'll be saying, "move along, there's nothing to see here" (LOL)


Facts are facts. Stubborn things to deal with.

It's a "fact" that Donald Trump was "correct" when citing the 1952 law that enables the President to halt-stop any and all immigration ... by Islamics ... into the U.S.

Liberal heads exploded. It was sad.



The author of this article cites "facts".

Some fans of Donald Trump experience "exploding head" syndrome.

Very sad. Very pathetic. Very much like losers.



Secretly, I suspect that Donald Trump has secretly lost ALL respect for Dr. Ben Carson as a "man".

I sure as hell have.



It's interesting that you also allege that Ted Cruz loses the debate last night.

The "deranged minority clan" (DMC) of Donald Trump supporters (not all, Donald Trump supporters, I might add) ...

always wish to falsely acuse Ted Cruz (and others) of almost everything evil in the last 400 years.

Ted Cruz asked Ben Carson for a meeting, he did not "beg".



The Donald Trump DMC at Free Republic will next claim that Ted Cruz helped the Japs at Pearl Harbor, that his dad smuggled French Cognac into New York, and that ...

Dr. Ben Carson is a "violent psychopathic" nutcase who is kinda like a child molester.


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29 posted on 02/07/2016 4:53:50 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: conservativejoy

CNN’s official version:

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/02/07/abc-news-gop-debate-reality-check-foreman.cnn


30 posted on 02/07/2016 4:55:13 PM PST by CreviceTool (A Good Samaritan with a handgun saved my life...)
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To: dynoman
Team Ted lied. Own it. Check out the video in @CNNPolitics’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/696194244470509569?s=09

The CNN link is BS.

31 posted on 02/07/2016 4:55:38 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: napscoordinator

My goodness....I hope Trump doesn’t make a sudden right turn or you will break your nose....


32 posted on 02/07/2016 4:57:13 PM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: Sasparilla

Facts are stubborn things.

How people can deny the truth is unbelievable.


33 posted on 02/07/2016 4:57:28 PM PST by dforest
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To: nclaurel
And you Cruz worhippers are so sad to defend a lie.

Produce the lie with direct quotes. I'll look for your response.

34 posted on 02/07/2016 4:57:47 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: nclaurel

Cruz is starting to sound like George Allen with his idiotic apologies. There is no need for apologies. I’d have interpreted Carson’s itinerary as a signal that his campaign is moribund. Carson’s “change of clothes” excuse is bizarre.


35 posted on 02/07/2016 4:57:59 PM PST by alstewartfan ("I came back as a large hippopotamus." Al Stewart)
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To: napscoordinator

I agree that most blogs are useless, but this one is not particularly more worthless than, say, conservative nuthouse (you know which one I’m talking about).


36 posted on 02/07/2016 4:59:06 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: CreviceTool

Unfortunately for CNN, the original clips still exist and they support every word Cruz said.


37 posted on 02/07/2016 5:00:18 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: conservativejoy; All
"Carson or his campaign could have also corrected the CNN story."

Not only could CNN probably have verified Carson rumor in seconds like it should have and Cruz should have, but timing of CNN rumor was very suspicious imo, as if Cruz was expecting it.

38 posted on 02/07/2016 5:01:31 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: FreeReign

The lie is that you Cruz supporters insist that against all evidence to the contrary that the Cruz campaign didn’t lie about Carson. And worse as Christians you say the lie is ok anyway because Carson isn’t polling well. Cruz campaign did lie.


39 posted on 02/07/2016 5:04:50 PM PST by nclaurel
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To: conservativejoy

This should be a non issue, but I guess we will keep the daggers out until all are dead and we can give the crown to Bernie or Hill.
However, I will make one point, since it has been made over and over again about Trump losing because he is blaming Cruz for his loss.
For me to have to believe that, that is a tacit admission that his voter base is smaller than he claims and Carson’s voters would have massively migrated to Cruz, as their second choice.
Do you really want to go there?


40 posted on 02/07/2016 5:10:42 PM PST by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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