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I'm taking a small break from the politics to discuss a rifle I bought recently-the DPMS Gen II Recon. I bought this rifle at Buds Guns for about $1,300 plus a small transfer fee. I was looking for a rifle that could fill the role of several different 7.62 NATO SA rifles I have laying around( DSA FAL, Armalite AR10T, PTR-91 pdw) in order to have "the one gun I'd grab if I could only grab one". I'm looking for dependability, ruggedness, accuracy, portability, and handling in no particular order. I figured I'm not the only person looking for that one rifle to grab if they could only grab one so I thought I would share my experiences with this rifle thus far.

I have found that this rifle seems to like the same load my Armalite AR10t likes: 40.8 grains of varget behind a 168 grain projectile. The Armalite retails for around $1,700-$1,800. It shoots well. With its optic attached, and its 24" heavy barrel it's a heavy rifle. I would not want to carry it all day long. With the aforementioned load, it shoots sub-MOA but barely. within 1,000 rounds, the Armalite's bolt catch release button broke in half and needed replaced.

The DPMS Recon, with its 16" barrel, collapsible stock, and Leupold AR MOD1 3x9x40 appears to shoot as good, if not better than the Armalite target rifle with a 2.5-10 Nikon monarch tactical. I should mention that within 300-400 rounds, the Recon's hammer broke (-1 point for durability) and needed replaced. I replaced it with a Hipertouch EDT3 purchased at Joe Bob outfitters for $99.00. Which installed easily and was the trigger used to shoot the groups in the picture below. Hopefully there are no more durability issues.

as far as portability, this rifle weighs 8.5 lbs without the scope and mount. The Scope weighs 12.4 oz and the mount weighs 8.3 oz. Total unloaded weight: 9.8 lbs.

So we have a 9.8 lb 7.62 NATO sub-moa carbine that handles like a light weight carbine and shoots as good as, if not better than, an Armalite AR10t with a 24" barrel. I will add this caveat, the AR10t gains around 300 fps of muzzle velocity thanks to its 24" barrel so you're giving that up with the carbine that shoots this moderate 7.62 NATO load at around 2,250 fps.

So, in conclusion.

The bad: the hammer broke in around 300 rounds but it was -10 degrees (with wind chill) outside which I think might/could have had something to do with it. I replaced the hammer and will be shooting this rifle all winter long in harsh conditions to ensure it is in fact durable. also worth mentioning, the 20 round magazine only holds 19 rounds and these magazines ain't cheap at $45/each. from DPMS. I'm not sure about PMAG compatibility at this time. magpul lists their $19.95 PMAG as being compatible with the DPMS LR308 but doesn't specify anything about Gen II rifles. I need to call them clearly.

The Good: it's a sub-MOA 7.62 NATO chambered carbine that weighs 9.8 lbs with a scope and mount. It comes with flip up adjustable sights in case your scope goes down. It has picatinny rails everywhere you could possible want them. It's flash hider is a AAC 51T suppressor attachment point and is specifically designed to accommodate the AAC SDN6 series of suppressors (which I'll review in a couple of months hopefully). IKt has a convenient little storage space in the pistol grip that is perfect for extra pins and springs and the hex key for the scope turrets.

Final conclusion: this is the one gun I would grab if I had to grab a gun and I could only grab one gun however I will put it through its paces this winter and ensure that anything that might break, does break and gets replaced with something that won't break and I will keep spare pins and springs in the convenient little pistol grip storage area for sure.

Here's some pics taken from my most recent trip to the range which lasted less than an hour. Conditions were cold, windy, wet and muddy with light snow coming down. perfect weather for training iow.

DPMS gen II Recon w/ Leupold AR MOD 1 3x9-40mm MRAD on Burris PEPR mount

Best group shot: .483" at 100 yards using 40.8 grains of Varget behind a 168 grain Sierra matchking HPBT seated at 2.800".

.717" at 100 yards. Not as good but still sub-moa from a carbine length semi-auto .308 AR.

Mag dumps at 100 yards. Finally adjusted the scope on the one clustered in the orange dot. Both orange dots are 2" dia. This was one shot every second or so from a bench rest.

I had one round left and shot to make it count. The dot is 1" dia. On the edge but it's a hit. My opinion is that groups are nice but what really matters is that the first round you earnestly send down range hits what you're aiming at. That's a 1" dot. I can't be unsatisfied with that-not from a carbine with a collapsible stock and a 16" barrel.

1 posted on 02/07/2016 12:23:46 AM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

Very cool, thanks for sharing !


2 posted on 02/07/2016 12:55:20 AM PST by onona (Where are you tonight, my sweet Marie)
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To: RC one

Nice, I’ve wanted one for a while. Pmags should run fine in a DPMS.


3 posted on 02/07/2016 2:17:06 AM PST by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: RC one

Hmmmm...your “one gun to grab” turned into a 10# club in less than 400 rounds and you’re “hoping for no more reliability issues”...hmmmm

It likes the same load as the AR10T, produces 750 less FPM, 8” less barrel length = flame thrower of unused gasses and unburned powder.


4 posted on 02/07/2016 2:35:16 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: RC one

DPMS trigger group components are all MIM parts.

If I were you, I’d trash the entire trigger group and replace it with a unified component otherwise that hammer problem you have is just going to happen again. Maybe look into a Timney group.


13 posted on 02/07/2016 5:30:07 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: RC one

I’ve had an Armalite AR-10 for 10+years and never had a lick or trouble with it. It has been an excellent weapon for anything I have asked of it. Accuracy is as good as can be expected w/ a 20” barrel. Typically 3/4” to 1” groups with Remington brand .308 Win at 100 yds. Good enough for me.

I have often wondered about the reliability of the other(s) who have entered the .308 AR market. I appreciate you sharing comments and specifically your experiences with both brands.

My only complaint with the Armalite is that it only accepts Armalite mags, and the upper can only be an Armalite or Noveske (which is an Armalite anyway). Beyond that, I have been very pleased with my AR-10.


17 posted on 02/07/2016 6:14:33 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: RC one

My BIL has one of these chambered in .260 (which uses a necked down .308 brass) His has a heavy, floating, SS barrel, good for driving nails at long distances.


21 posted on 02/07/2016 7:24:43 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: RC one

Sorry, no go. It’s SCARY looking! < /libspeak >


23 posted on 02/07/2016 7:47:45 AM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: RC one

It’s too bad that one of Field and Streams “core principals” isn’t learning how to spell, or how to edit their articles to make sure that writers who can’t spell don’t publish articles with misspellings.


28 posted on 02/07/2016 11:38:46 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: RC one
I was looking for a rifle that could fill the role of several different 7.62 NATO SA rifles I have laying around( DSA FAL, Armalite AR10T, PTR-91 pdw) in order to have "the one gun I'd grab if I could only grab one". I'm looking for dependability, ruggedness, accuracy, portability, and handling in no particular order. I figured I'm not the only person looking for that one rifle to grab if they could only grab one so I thought I would share my experiences with this rifle thus far.

Ah, but there is another:


29 posted on 02/08/2016 8:21:49 AM PST by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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To: RC one
When DPMS was founded, one of the core principals was getting ARs into hunters' hands.

Perhaps. But it took Cerberus(Soros) to buy Remington Arms, and DPMS before it got done.

32 posted on 02/10/2016 1:08:32 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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