A Survivor of the Waco Biker Shooting Talks about the Aftermath, Claims Police Didn't Help Wounded

Dallas Observer ^ | 1/19/16 | Julie Lyons

[don-o]

John Wilson, who leads the McLennan County chapter of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club, was in the Waco Twin Peaks parking lot when the shooting broke out on May 17 between the Bandidos and Cossacks. His son Jake Wilson was also there. John Wilson owns Legend Cycles in Waco. He and his son were arrested, along with 175 others, and later indicted on organized crime charges. John Wilson is one of the only Cossacks speaking out about what happened that day, and he insists that many of those arrested are innocent. His interview with Julie Lyons is excerpted here.

Wilson begins by telling how Jake Rhyne, one of seven Cossacks killed that day, lay bleeding for 30 to 45 minutes without receiving medical attention. Wilson wanted to help, and he recounts his conversation with a Waco police officer:

John Wilson: ... I ask him if several of us couldn't pick up Jake along with some other ones that were wounded and carry them to the ambulances, and he basically told me that if I didn't want to get shot, I wouldn't.

[So the police] made no attempt during that time to give first aid or any kind of aid to Jake.

No. Absolutely not. Every one of those cop cars had some kind of first aid kit in 'em. And not a single one at any time walked over, brought us a first aid kit, offered to tie a tourniquet on anybody, patch a hole, anything. Our guys were sitting there with nothing but bandannas in their hands trying to stuff bullet holes.

Could you tell from your vantage point looking at Jake [Rhyne] if there was a lot of blood loss?

Yes.

So it's possible -- I'm not a doctor, of course, and neither are you -- that he bled out.

Well, I have to assume that those guys that were alive 30 minutes after the fact that died without medical care, you know, we can only make assumptions, but their odds of survival would have been better if they'd had medical care. Would they have died anyway? Maybe. As you say, I'm not a doctor. But they certainly deserved the opportunity to try to live. And to try to recover from it. And the opportunity was sitting right there in an ambulance 50 yards away that they weren't allowed access to.

[don-o]

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[CivilWarBrewing]

I’m starting to think this ‘false flag’ involved the use of foreign ‘blue helmets’ pretending to be police.

[driftdiver]

From what I’ve seen and heard its quite common for medical care to be held until the scene is declared ‘safe’.

[centurion316]

I’m starting to think this ‘false flag’ involved the use of foreign ‘blue helmets’ pretending to be police.

Lot's of silly things have been said in the course of the Waco threads. This one takes the cake.

[RightOnTheBorder]

From what I've seen and heard its quite common for medical care to be held until the scene is declared 'safe'.

If I were an EMT I wouldn't go near that place until I was sure all three gangs had stopped fighting.

[easternsky]

Thank you for the updates they are greatly appreciated.

[driftdiver]

The EMTs were there, within 50 ft of the wounded people.

[CivilWarBrewing]

And little stick figure and expert marksman (96% kill ratio) Adam Lanza carried an arsenal of two hand guns and an assault rifle with HUNDREDS OF ROUNDS into Sandy Hook and gunned down little kids. Riiight..

"And when he was found, Lanza still had hundreds of rounds of ammunition in multiple magazines, after having already fired hundreds of rounds inside the school"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/17/15969867-police-second-person-injured-in-connecticut-school-shooting-survived?lite

[centurion316]

News media reports are not eligible for this contest, it wouldn’t be fair. Only Freeper original silly comments can be used.

[T-Bird45]

...when the shooting broke out on May 17 between the Bandidos and Cossacks.

In court, that's called assuming facts not in evidence.

[USNBandit]

Can you show any of the accounts in media, police statements, public statements by the club members that would show otherwise? This fight started between two motorcycles clubs, that is a fact.

[T-Bird45]

Have you been following these articles since the incident? Have you noticed that the authorities continue to stand behind gag orders and avoid discovery, including such basic items as coroner’s findings? IMO, there’s a noticeable dearth of evidence that substantiates that shots were fired between clubs. Add in the excessive bail amounts and continual delay in proceeding to court and I see abuse of process and discretion in the local judiciary.

[USNBandit]

Yes, I have been following the articles since the event happened. Still waiting to be shown one account where the shooting didn’t start with bikers shooting bikers. I have read the account of one of the Cossacks saying he saw his father shot in the head, point blank by a Bandido supporter. I have seen the video where an “unaffiliated” biker jumped on the back of a Cossack, loses that fight and another Cossack comes up and shoots him.

[T-Bird45]

OK, found the CNN video you referred to and confess to missing that post when it was made in December. While conceding that appears to be where things started, what is your opinion on the delays on actually bringing those responsible to trial? I’m really underwhelmed with the process, if it can be called that, being taken by authorities in Waco.

[USNBandit]

I think the local DA and the local judiciary are in way over their heads. They went "frontier justice" by rounding up everybody and putting huge bonds on them.

One injustice does not excuse another. There are people in that 175+ that were arrested that are murderers, plain and simple. That does not justify treating all of those people like murderers. Unfortunately, for the interests of justice, those murderers may not all be identified simply due to the confusion of the event and the number of variables involved. It will be difficult to pick one person that shot one other person when there are 175 possible suspects and a couple hundred weapons. That is a mountain of evidence to go through. The one homicide we have seen on film was Mr. Rodriguez from San Antonio. We don't know if any others were captured on film.

In the end, nobody is going to be happy with the results. The dead bikers' families will either not know who killed their family members or blame police for shooting them. The police will see a bunch of bikers that started a riot in their town walk, and the people of Waco will get stuck with the bill. Years of litigation will follow a long line of trials with very little chance of a clean verdict.

[TexasGator]

"there’s a noticeable dearth of evidence that substantiates that shots were fired between clubs. "

From the autopsies (blue is mine)

Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, Allen, one gunshot wound in the head and one in the back. Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Back: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223

Matthew Mark Smith, 27, Keller, one gunshot wound in the back and one in the abdomen.

Back: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Abdomen: Not Determined

Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, New Braunfels, one gunshot wound to the head and one in the back. Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Trunk: Undertermined

Richard Matthew Jordan II, 31, Pasadena, one gunshot wound to the head. Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223

Richard Vincent Kirschner Jr., 47, Wylie, one gunshot wound to the top of the head, one to the left knee and one in the buttocks. Knee: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Buttocks: Small Caliber .223 or .22

Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, Fort Worth, one gunshot wound to the head. Trunk: Small Caliber .223 or .22

Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, Waco, shot two times in the head. Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Abdomen: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Head: Undetermined

Charles Wayne Russell, 46, Tyler, shot once in the chest. Chest: Small Caliber .223 or .22

Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, Ranger, shot once in the neck and once in the abdomen.Neck: Undertermined; Abdomen: Undetermined

Spaz. Arm: Not Available ... yet!

[T-Bird45]

Thanks for that summary as I’ve not seen a post of coroner results previously. I thought I was keeping up on this subject but I guess not so much.

[Boomer]

Watch out for Texagator. He’s our resident troll on this subject. All he knows how to do is copy and paste. Intelligent conversation is not something he is familiar with.

FWIW; all any of us want is to know the truth. Thanks to a corrupt Law Enforcement organization in the county Waco sits in and the Waco PD; all we get is gag orders and nonsense.

The DA, Reyna, is at the heart of this conspiracy to bury evidence with the help of a nepotistic cabal of judges and others in this LEO circle of corruption.

[Elderberry]

I like mine better. More detail

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Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, Allen, one gunshot wound in the head and one in the back.

      Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223,  Maybe from police 300AAC Blackout

      Back: Medium Caliber, Labeled 15 over 8023 over SMH NOT from police .223,  Maybe from police 300AAC Blackout

Matthew Mark Smith, 27, Keller, one gunshot wound in the back and one in the abdomen.

      Back: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223,  Maybe from police 300AAC Blackout

      Abdomen: .25 Exit,   Maybe from police .223

Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, New Braunfels, one gunshot wound to the head and one in the back.

      Head: Medium Caliber,Labeled 15-8021 over CS NOT from police .223,  Maybe from police 300AAC Blackout

      Trunk: .25 entrance,   Maybe from police .223

Richard Matthew Jordan II, 31, Pasadena, one gunshot wound to the head.

      Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223,  Maybe from police 300AAC Blackout

Richard Vincent Kirschner Jr., 47, Wylie, one gunshot wound to the top of the head, one to the left knee and one in the buttocks.

      Head: Unknown Labeled T-P over 8016 over 15,   Maybe from police .223

      Knee: Medium Caliber Labeled 15 over 8016 over T-P NOT from police .223  Maybe from police 300AAC Blackout

      Buttocks: Small Caliber .223 or .22, Maybe from police .223

Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, Fort Worth, one gunshot wound to the head.

      Head: Small Caliber .223 or .22,   Maybe from police .223

Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, Waco, shot two times in the head and once in the abdomen.

      Head#1: .25 entrance. ,   Maybe from police .223

      Head#2: .25 entrance. ,   Maybe from police .223

      Abdomen: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223  Maybe from police 300AAC Blackout

Charles Wayne Russell, 46, Tyler, shot once in the chest.

      Chest: Small Caliber .223 or .22,   Maybe from police .223

Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, Ranger, shot once in the neck and once in the abdomen.

      Neck: .25 entrance;   Maybe from police .223

      Abdomen: 1.0 entrance

Spaz. Arm: Not Available ... yet!

[TexasGator]

“More detail “

More gangster conspiracy support!