Posted on 01/22/2016 7:35:46 AM PST by TheRobb7
I saw someone here kinda mention this:
Compare Trump ' s ascendancy to that of the Governator several years ago.
Since his governorship didn't turn out too well, could we be seeing the same thing happen again on a national scale?
What say you?
I say you sound desperate. Arnold is not Trump nor Trump is Arnold.
Yeh time to call BS on that comparison.
this may be true, but arnold is yet another example of the re[publican party turning their backs on their mandate - to change things, and restore honorable government.
what will happen if the republican party doesn’t figure this out will be the creation of a new party and the demise of the republican party entirely.
and if that doesn’t work, then watch out.
Arnold was married to a Kennedy and I believe he was swayed by her liberalism. Trump is his own man.
It is very similar. Same Cult of Celebrity.
But Trump us not Arnold.
Arnold can’t hold a candle to Trump.
Trump, though, will be a big mistake. Open your eyes friends.
Let’s see, your logic works like this....
Arnold = no political experience, and California is a disaster, Trump = no political experience, therefore Trump Presidency will be a disaster.
So, does that mean....
Obama = Harvard educated, Constitutional law scholar, one term Senator and the U.S. Is a disaster. Cruz, Harvard educated, Constitutional law scholar, one term Senator, therefore Cruz Presidency will be a disaster?
I think it’s worth thinking about in the sense that it’s worth remembering that it’s been barely ten years since a Republican won statewide office in California, now it’s unthinkable. Trump will probably end up angering conservatives on some issues the way Arnold did in California as well. National Review is right, he’s not a lifelong movement conservative. Somebody like that can’t get elected nationally, IMHO.
But Trump brings much more to the table than Arnold did. Trump’s a builder, a businessman, he’s not been a politician, but he’s been in the political system for decades, and most importantly he’s a patriot. I believe that he will build a wall and deport the illegal aliens, he will get serious with ISIS, and he will take a sledgehammer to political correctness. Those are the things we need right now in order to survive as a nation.
Not even close as a comparison
Your title makes no sense
>> Trump, though, will be a big mistake. Open your eyes friends.
It’s not for sure that Trump, if elected, will be a mistake. Possible, but only time will tell. If he does some of the things he says he’ll do, he might be OK. Obama is a low bar to clear; he should certainly improve on the halfrican muslim communist.
However electing Trump will be a mistake in that he isn’t the *best* choice of those who are running.
Ted Cruz is the optimum pick.
It also us very like Obama in ‘08.
The cult of personality and worship. The emotional response.
That sort of thing does strongly correlate with winning.
Cabbages and apples are both plants. Therefore, logically, if you raise cabbages in one field during one year...any apples planted there are dead, and you shouldn’t bother even trying.
All speculation. The junior senator might be smart, might be the Thoroughbred, but he has the personality of Al Gore. He doesn’t have the charisma to get those disaffected Democrats or people that have voted before. We need those to win the general.
There are many ways for my "enemy" to gain advantage over me. Some are overt and some are more covert. There is the overt means of having an absolute 180 degree bassackwards ideologue (like Hitlery or Bustabutt) in power over me. There is also the covert means of continually giving me "the lesser of two evils." Over the years, as the bar lowers with each "lesser", I have to accept less and less. Somewhere, I either stand up for my beliefs or I never get the opportunity to vote for them again.
Conservatives should take great notice of this election. The Republican party decided to swing left to "win" this election. Those who thought we stood for something bigger than that, were apparently wrong.
The absolutely outrageous thing in this election is that there was a choice who wasn't the lesser of two evils but a near carbon copy of what we claim to want here on FR. However, we on FR chose to be pragmatic and turn our backs on "our" candidate out of fear of the bogeyman. Does anyone here feel they were led around by the nose by the media we so hate? THEY chose Arnold. THEY declared Tom unelectable. THEY gave all of the election oxygen to Mr Schwarzenkennedy. Those of you who said they would only vote for Tom if he were ahead in the polls on election day doomed him to failure by the very "tainting" of polls you routinely decry. YOU GAVE THEM THEIR AMMUNITION.
Your principles tell you to vote pragmatically, pushing the better choice to the side in favor of the one you've been told can actually win. Who told you this? The very party leaders and authorities we continually rail about on FR? The very media establishment that canonized Arnold as the Republican frontrunner (like Wesley Clark) as soon as he announced his candidacy?
Why is it that Tom can't win? Well, let's first see what it takes to win... To win, Tom needs more votes than his opponents. It takes us to vote for him. What will it take for us to vote for him? We have to know what he believes and see if it jibes with what we believe... he has to get his message out. What will it take to get his message out? It will take a lot of support. What does he not have? Support--not from the party, not from the media, not from you. Why? Because he's unelectable... it's a circular argument.
It's all moot now but my principles as an American say to vote my conscience. I shouldn't worry about my neighbor's vote. To game my vote or to vote strictly party line is to vote like a Democrat and a political lemming--not a man of principle.
At the end of the day, I will be who God called me to be. You can be what God called you to be. However, I am not less than you because I choose the better candidate and you choose to vote with the pack.
I see many parallels in the two situations.
You don't know Arnold's background very well to see differences here.
Did Schwarzenegger write this headline?
<PYyes it will be kind of like that but Schwarzenegger was more conservative.
Jesse Venture may be the better comparison for a Trump celebrity presidency.
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