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The Islamic ‘Golden Age’
Arab News ^ | Wednesday 13 January 2016 | NIDHAL GUESSOUM

Posted on 01/15/2016 1:35:18 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: Gunpowder green

Exactly like liberals. No way they can lift their constituents up so they try to make everyone else as miserable as their lemmings.

That’s just so much more fay-er.


21 posted on 01/15/2016 3:05:49 PM PST by Let's Roll (So much left-wing thought is playing with fire by those who don't even know fire is hot - Orwell)
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To: Cicero

Big Mo and his savages raided Persia, Turkic countries, India, and Christian lands.

They looted anything they could take back to Arabia. They kidnapped and enslaved all they did not slaughter. That included the intellects, who they pressed into slavery.

That’s your “golden” age


22 posted on 01/15/2016 3:38:31 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: nickcarraway

Actually, this “golden age” started before the invention of islam and declined as islam invaded and destroyed countries and civilizations. There is nothing golden about barbarism.


23 posted on 01/15/2016 4:07:15 PM PST by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: RayChuang88

Revisionism Non-sense!?! Euclid created geometry and other Greeks created trigonometry and calculus. Babylonian and Greek algebra preceded the Arabs.


24 posted on 01/15/2016 5:44:27 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: nickcarraway; Cicero; faithhopecharity; SkyPilot; PIF; raygunfan; rstrahan; Jemian

Islamic scientific and cultural contributions are certainly a long time past. About 1100 AD Hassan bin Sabah, who inherited the Assassin Guild, enlightened Islamist societies to terrorism as foundational statecraft for political prosperity. Philosophical and religious lawyers retained their lives, and obtained support for and from dictators by backwards engineering the Koran into useful totalitarian heterodoxies. Concurrently, foundational thought including Jews, Christians and Muslims as People of the Book became hazardous. Concurrently, men of Saladin’s character, who Dante placed in the highest level of purgatory, disappeared from prominence. The Sufism of Saladin was guided into a form of Unitarianism and no longer stressed an individual relationship with God that could have not only directed followers to the true living God, but could have exalted individuals in society. Concurrently, extraordinary Arab achievements in mathematics, philosophy, science, and medicine submerged within authoritarian and feral societies. Omar Khayyam, Ibn al-Haytham, and Abu Ali al-Hussain Ibn Sina had no successors for uncompromising, independent thought. Someone else would have to prove causation, but such simultaneous extinctions do provide compelling evidence to me of Islam becoming a pervasive contagion subverting the Middle East.


25 posted on 01/15/2016 6:40:20 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike; nickcarraway; faithhopecharity; SkyPilot; PIF; raygunfan; rstrahan; Jemian

I’m afraid it’s been a long time since I did the research, including reading a lot of early books, Church Fathers, philosophers, and others, but the basic difference between God and Allah (apart from the Trinity and the Incarnation of Jesus) is that the Christian God is a God of rationality, whereas Allah is completely arbitrary.

God’s rationality is more than we can fully understand, but we can work on it. Allah—not.


26 posted on 01/15/2016 7:32:08 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

The difference between YWHW and the false god of Islam is the difference between righteousness and evil. God has revealed Himself as holiness, loving, merciful, forgiving, eternal, willing to have personal relationships with his creation. He is not a being who needs to be appeased; that has been done through the person and work of Jesus Christ. He is rational, having illustrated the concepts of mathematics and logic in His creation of the world.

The islamic idea is an arbitrary being, who although can be merciful, metes out this according to his whim; the receiver of it unknowning until it is after death. Their idea of their god is a distant being, aloof from his worshippers, being appeased only through rituals and works. One can never know if enough has been done to merit salvation and one can never do enough to worship that god fully.

Adonai and the islam god are two complete different concepts. One is true; islam is false.


27 posted on 01/15/2016 8:34:05 PM PST by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: RayChuang88

Algebra and trigonometry are Indian, specifically aryan, constructs and were appropriated by the Egyptians long before the invention of islam. Just because something is arabic, or egyptian doesn’t make it islamic.


28 posted on 01/15/2016 8:35:56 PM PST by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: Retain Mike
Concurrently, extraordinary Arab achievements in mathematics, philosophy, science, and medicine submerged within authoritarian and feral societies.

That statement has long been disproven ... the so-called "extraordinary Arab achievements" were lifted from others not Arabs or muslims. Their only claim to fame as it were is that they preserved the knowledge gained by non-muslim others. However, that preservation was only necessary because they were busily destroying everything that was not in the koran or contradicted it; just look to the JV, ISIS today, destroying ancient ruins just as the Varsity did.

There was nothing "submerged" - that's just silly. The only accredited invention attributed to a muslim was by a Palestinian - using a cellphone to trigger a bomb.

Someone else would have to prove causation, but such simultaneous extinctions do provide compelling evidence to me of Islam becoming a pervasive contagion subverting the Middle East.

"Prove causation?" Are you serious? You sound like you've had your nose buried in books for so long that you've forgotten to come up for air. Omar Khayyam, Ibn al-Haytham, and Abu Ali al-Hussain Ibn Sina had no original thoughts to begin with. Any ideas attributed to them are simply taqyyia. They got everything from someone else or elsewhere and took credit for it. Next you'll be trotting out that old canard of muslims inventing the zero.

PS: when responding please use paragraphs, thank you.

29 posted on 01/16/2016 1:48:22 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: RayChuang88
But before that movement rose up, Islamic scientists and mathematicians created the base for much of our modern science

Pure and unadulterated taqyyia. All of which was not created but preserved. All of which came from Persian (Farsi) and Hindu thought thousands of years old.

30 posted on 01/16/2016 1:51:35 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

The Library burning is attributed to Julius Caesar during the Alexandrine War which accidentally started the fire. The library was partially rebuilt or had an annex that was preserved and that could have been burned hundreds of years later by the muslim hordes, but even that is likely a 12th century fabrication.


31 posted on 01/16/2016 2:16:18 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: nickcarraway

Muslims only preserved but neither invented nor borrowed. They used what was useful (only that which the koran sanctioned) and destroyed the rest; which included classical western civilization and classical Christianity.


32 posted on 01/16/2016 2:19:06 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Cicero

Muzzies never invented anything, never discovered anything worthwhile but stole every last bit of knowledge they purport as theirs. Another short version.


33 posted on 01/16/2016 2:34:18 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Greeks created...calculus.

Not quite. Some ancient Greeks may have utilized some ideas or principles that foreshadowed calculus, true, but an actual rigorous and systematic theory of differential/integral calculus wasn't created until Isaac Newton and Gottfried Leibniz did so independently of each other in the 17th century.

34 posted on 01/17/2016 4:49:44 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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