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Test of Wills

Posted on 01/13/2016 6:11:43 PM PST by jstaff

This is a test of the ability to show restraint.

Cruz/Trump

Trump/Cruz

Discuss.


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1 posted on 01/13/2016 6:11:43 PM PST by jstaff
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2 posted on 01/13/2016 6:14:08 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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I’m good either way ;’}


3 posted on 01/13/2016 6:15:18 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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It's really simple logic.

Trump > Cruz

;-)
4 posted on 01/13/2016 6:16:18 PM PST by frankenMonkey
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Cruz likely can't get elected at the top of the ticket.

Trump will likely govern by executive order and cave on key social issues; and who he will pick for the Supreme Court is very iffy.

Neither can expect any kind of cooperation from the mole-infested Congress.

5 posted on 01/13/2016 6:17:34 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Cruz likely can't get elected at the top of the ticket.

In head to head match ups against Clinton, Cruz polls higher than Trump.
6 posted on 01/13/2016 6:20:28 PM PST by kik5150 (Cruz argued 9 times before Supreme Court judges. Trump argues with beauty pageant judges.)
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Cruz and Trump going after each other just strengthens GOPe.

It’s weird.


7 posted on 01/13/2016 6:29:29 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Yeah, I don’t know where that particular self-defeating, self-perpetuating meme came from, but it’s flat stupid. If people vote for Cruz, Cruz can win. Watching too much CNN apparently.


8 posted on 01/13/2016 6:30:52 PM PST by SuzyQue
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“Neither can expect any kind of cooperation from the mole-infested Congress. “

Oh, whichever is President will get cooperation.

That is why keeping a Republican majority is very important.


9 posted on 01/13/2016 6:31:37 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Trump is the one we need to clear the field and plow the ground.
Conservative purists are well-meaning, but have proven unable to win the nomination (since Reagan), much less the presidency.
Trump in 2016
Cruz in 2024


10 posted on 01/13/2016 6:33:12 PM PST by Disestablishmentarian
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Trump is the one we need to clear the field and plow the ground. Conservative purists are well-meaning, but have proven unable to win the nomination (since Reagan), much less the presidency.

A Conservative could have won pre Obama. A real conservative could win now. But that is not what we need, we need someone to "clear the temple".

11 posted on 01/13/2016 6:39:31 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Get busy.


12 posted on 01/13/2016 6:40:29 PM PST by RedHeeler
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The meaning of the term conservative is changing.


13 posted on 01/13/2016 6:42:34 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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The other guy: Threat or menace
14 posted on 01/13/2016 6:44:10 PM PST by Company Man (Keep Calm and Carry)
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To: frankenMonkey

Perfect


15 posted on 01/13/2016 6:54:39 PM PST by tinyowl (A equals A, And C Edmund Wright thinks I am an idiot and a Trump Sycophant)
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In head to head match ups against Clinton, Cruz polls higher than Trump

Forget Clinton.

She's finished.

16 posted on 01/13/2016 6:56:01 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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Perhaps. Perhaps not.

Yet, conservatives know themselves, in our kind.

The nature is not changed, by wordiness, nor paint- the natural soul is only seen by truth.

Just ask an abortionist, “What day is it?”


17 posted on 01/13/2016 6:57:26 PM PST by RedHeeler
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Didn’t take long.


18 posted on 01/13/2016 6:57:43 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: RedHeeler

I have learned form a lot of Free Freepers that a “true conservative” cannot consider patriotism or putting “America First” when it comes to economic matters. It doesn’t matter how detrimental unfettered trade and offshoring have been. You are not to take into consideration your nationality when making economic decision. GloBULLism and international corporations come first last and always and have priority, a true conservative a stateless being when things economic are in play. Any attempt at promoting protectionism, like our founders did in the beginning, is to be treated with disdain.


19 posted on 01/13/2016 7:06:19 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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I'm going to extrapolate on the post of: "It's really quite simple: Trump > Cruz."

It doesn't matter how ideologically correct a candidate/president is. He must be able to move the country to move congress.

Cruz is just now learning how to have charisma. I gotta tell you, when I first saw him speak after knowing a lot more about him from reading his positions, (don't get me wrong here - I can separate viceral reaction from what's actually going on) ... my visceral reaction was 'smarmy, speech is too practiced, can those eyebrows please not tilt so far like basset hound' ... in other words, my common dumb lIV voter side didn't like him. Now - that's KNOWING I like him, and knowing that's just how my body reacted. Cruz Can. Not. Yet. Move. America. Even. Though. He's. Almost. Perfect. Ideologically.

CAN NOT MOVE AMERICA, YET.

Trump certainly isn't perfect, but a large stampede of dumb American's (note, who each carry a vote and voice, unfortunately :-)) will follow the Trump cult. That's good in our case, because while we and Cruz point north, Trump points northerly, and his position papers point even more northerly thatn he does. He's laid out how he'll govern.

So you combine the direction with the stampede, and you have an America that can move somewhere.

During those 8 years, this not-so-charismatic-but-quick-learner, who knows everything he has to know but can't put it into practice because you can only do that with followers, studies how Trump gets people to follow him, let's Tump get the inertia going, and in 8 years hops on that freighter and points it a little better.

That's why Trump8 > Cruz8. That's a very very very powerful 16 years.

Cruz for 8 starting now? Won't get much done, won't do much to turn the oil tanker. Even at it's best, America IS still a MOB. Without the dumb followers who just pick who makes 'em feel best (about 40% of the country) ... you can't move the country. The liberals have done a wonderful job of that over the past 20 years, heck, 60 years. They did it, and they don't even have ideas than a thinking man can tolerate.

20 posted on 01/13/2016 7:07:10 PM PST by tinyowl (A equals A, And C Edmund Wright thinks I am an idiot and a Trump Sycophant)
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