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Experts weigh in on possible causes of turbulence on Air Canada flight
theglobeandmail.com ^ | Thursday, Dec. 31, 2015 9:42PM EST | ERIC ANDREW-GEE

Posted on 12/31/2015 9:22:11 PM PST by BenLurkin

The Transportation Safety Board (TSB) continued its investigation of an incident in which passengers were thrown from their seats and objects hit the cabin ceiling during a harrowing few minutes that forced the Toronto-bound flight from Shanghai to stop in Calgary for medical help.

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Rod Hayward, an aviation expert at the University of the Fraser Valley, said sudden turbulence in clear skies can sometimes be caused when a plane flies through a jet stream, a kind of narrow, fast-moving current of air. That sudden increase in air velocity, sometimes reaching 100 knots, can cause aircraft to shake violently, he said.

Because jet streams are invisible, they can take pilots by surprise, Mr. Hayward noted. Forecasts can often predict the location of the air patterns, but they move and change direction quickly.

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Pointing to passenger reports of rapid up and down movement in the plane, Wayne Hocking, a physics professor specializing in atmospheric turbulence at the University of Western Ontario, said that breaking “gravity waves” were a more likely culprit. Those are undulating currents of air that can cause severe up-and-down turbulence for aircraft. They can be caused by a range of factors, including heat from the ground, or hot and cold air fronts colliding in the atmosphere.

But in this case, Prof. Hocking said, it is probable that any gravity wave would have been caused by air flowing over the mountains of Alaska below. When air goes over a mountain it continues moving in the pattern of the mountain peak rather than flattening out, and before moving as a wave into the upper atmosphere, Prof. Hocking explained.

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TOPICS: Travel
KEYWORDS: turbulance
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1 posted on 12/31/2015 9:22:12 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
a physics professor specializing in atmospheric turbulence at the University of Western Ontario, said that breaking "gravity waves" were a more likely culprit.

Cough, cough. And this guy has tenure?

Let me guess, he is on board with man made global warming as well?

2 posted on 12/31/2015 9:29:39 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: BenLurkin

Massive warm air front coming up from Japan caused 100mph winds in and around Anchorage, from what i heard the incident occurred over Alaska. Temperatures are very much warmer than normal, warmer than Los Angelos.


3 posted on 12/31/2015 9:43:22 PM PST by Daniel Ramsey (Trump to win! He wins, we win, the nation wins!)
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To: BenLurkin

That EVIL climate change!

4 posted on 12/31/2015 9:52:46 PM PST by onyx
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To: BenLurkin

Keep your seat belt fastened and you won’t hit the ceiling.


5 posted on 12/31/2015 10:14:01 PM PST by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: Daniel Ramsey

It’s 28F in Nome right now. LA might be warmer. ;<}


6 posted on 12/31/2015 10:15:23 PM PST by Rockpile (GOP legislators-----caviar eating surrender monkeys.)
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To: onyx
That EVIL climate change!

Don't you just hate global warming? If the Aswan dam leaks in Egypt, some nut case will claim it was caused by global warming.

7 posted on 12/31/2015 10:18:12 PM PST by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: aviator

8 posted on 12/31/2015 10:18:32 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: doorgunner69

You have a problem?


9 posted on 12/31/2015 10:30:24 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: BenLurkin

So, the cause was narrowed down to air!?


10 posted on 12/31/2015 10:36:20 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: doorgunner69

Gravity has always been my first consideration in any plane disturbance, especially crashes.

I’ve only crashed once, fortunately, I was still on the ground.


11 posted on 12/31/2015 10:43:54 PM PST by This_far
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To: BenLurkin
when a plane flies through a jet stream, a kind of narrow, fast-moving current of air. That sudden increase in air velocity, sometimes reaching 100 knots,

The other day, I flew from Denver to Boston. The flight was pretty smooth, but, when I took out my GPS, it showed a ground speed of 659 mph at 37,571 feet over Ontario. A 727's typical cruise speed is 540 mph.

12 posted on 12/31/2015 10:56:20 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: doorgunner69
"In the Earth's atmosphere, gravity waves are a mechanism for the transfer of momentum from the troposphere to the stratosphere. Gravity waves are generated in the troposphere by frontal systems or by airflow over mountains. At first, waves propagate through the atmosphere without appreciable change in mean velocity. But as the waves reach more rarefied (thin) air at higher altitudes, their amplitude increases, and nonlinear effects cause the waves to break, transferring their momentum to the mean flow."

- Gravity Wave at Wikipedia.

So ... C'mon man !

And I have to add ... I knew this! ( Well, mostly. )

13 posted on 12/31/2015 11:29:22 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: doorgunner69

Better check this out, yeah I know, I know I learned something too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_wave


14 posted on 12/31/2015 11:56:37 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: BenLurkin; windcliff; stylecouncilor

I’ve been in turbulence severe enough for me to swear that would be my last flight...only to take off again within 6 months.


15 posted on 01/01/2016 12:10:54 AM PST by onedoug
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To: this_ol_patriot
When I was a tech in a precision measurement Equipment Lab in the Air Force, we had to measure gravity daily as the changes affected some of our instrumentation and calibrations.

There's a little difference between being a doorgunner, and placing a bomb precisely, within millimeters on the other side of the world from where your plane took off.

And then with any luck, getting home to load up and make another run.

There's a huge amount that of expertise that comes into play, from the guy who airs up the tires to the guy who calibrates the equipment.

Of course, being a doorgunner requires less scientific knowledge, but huge cajonies and a different expertise.

Takes a team, from the infantry guy slogging in the mud to the techie nerds to win anything.

16 posted on 01/01/2016 12:24:28 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: doorgunner69

Gravity waves?! And this prof found them? Call the Nobel committee.


17 posted on 01/01/2016 12:56:50 AM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: BenLurkin

Being a recovering aircraft engineer I only worry about spilling my little liquor bottle on flights. Always replace the cap after each sip. And keep that belt fastened.

Truth be told... I am always worried when I am in the head. I have been in some rough stuff and....well... there’s a reason you don’t want to be in the lavatory.


18 posted on 01/01/2016 1:06:31 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: doorgunner69

He’s an idiot and not using any real terminology. I think he made that up on the spot.


19 posted on 01/01/2016 5:23:31 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: dr_lew

Hot air rising is called thermals, wind hitting a mountain and rising is called a mountain wave. That’s the way I learned it when training to fly. I’ve never once heard of gravity waves.


20 posted on 01/01/2016 5:26:47 AM PST by Bulwyf
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