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To: discostu
Stars Wars cannon dictates it takes decades to master "force techniques" of those who are force sensitive. In IV Luke was already flying aircraft between trenches as he was growing up and target practicing on wombats (As explained). Rey was way more advanced on the outset while never piloting a spacecraft and being oblivious to "the force" at all. So all the sudden she "gains"/learns these powers in an instant in what takes years of those training in the Jedi arts to even attempt to pull off.

All Anakin had in I was quick reflexes, no force powers (And this guy was "off the charts"). Even when pod racing it was mentioned he never finished a race (Always crashed) until the race he won. In II after years of training he still did not have the grasp of force powers and got his butt handed to him (Again, off the charts).

Rey had it all, which leads me to believe either Super Girl/Mary Sue which breaks all sorts of cannon or that she was trained before (Probably under Luke) and was teetering towards the "dark side" thus her memory was erased (Which is just too contrived/convenient to shoe-horn in).
77 posted on 12/24/2015 5:57:33 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Operative word there: MASTER. Cannon also shows people strong in the Force just plain get a lot of lucky breaks. Remember, when push comes to shove Force power is basically wish fulfillment, people strong in the Force wish something to happen and it does. They wish to cloud people’s minds, they wish lightening to come out of their fingers, they wish to jump really high, they wish that thing to come here, they wish for a soft landing after they jump out of a speeder at high altitude, and it happens. Most of Jedi training, as we’ve seen, is unlearning self doubt, and learning selflessness. Because those are the big problems they run into, doubt stops the mastery, and selfishness leads to the Dark Side. Outside of that we’ve seen over and over (especially if you watch the 2 animated series which are cannon) that even the youngest Padawan can do some pretty far out stuff. Because they’re strong in the Force, and the Force is wish fulfillment, and little kids are really good at wishing.

Luke was NOT flying anything close to an X-Wing at anything near the speed of an X-Wing in anything as small as the Deathstar trench, and he was NOT nailing womprats at that speed, and ESPECIALLY NOT doing it WITH HIS EYES CLOSED.

Anakin’s problems are the big 2 I mentioned already. He’s crippled with self doubt, and he’s a self little #$%^&. He’s actually probably stronger in the Force in 1 than 2, because in 1 he’s having fun and fulfilling wishes, and in 2 he’s a moody teenager bent on self sabotage.

Rey has everything Luke had, plus a lack of stable home. Plenty of experience on the junkyard planet flying random crap. And fixing random crap. And fighting random people. And struggling to stay alive. Plus of course Skywalker level Force powers that let things just happen for them. She doesn’t break ANY of the canon. You say Luke pulled his big first Force thing because Ben was whispering in his ear, well guess WHO ELSE had Ben whispering in their ear:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3369977/Return-Jedi-JJ-Abrams-confirms-Yoda-Alec-Guinness-Ewan-McGregor-s-Obi-Wan-Kenobis-hidden-Force-Awakens.html

She’s a Skywalker, and she’s shown no more or less super power than Luke, Anakin, or Leia (or Ashoka, or Ezra). How she does things is pretty typical of people strong in the Force. And really pretty typical of main characters from the “hyper competent” section of fiction telling. Really she’s no more competent than your typical Trek main cast member either. That school of fiction telling doesn’t allow uncontested failure. And it goes way back, even further than the Flash Gordon serial George originally ripped off.


79 posted on 12/24/2015 6:13:38 AM PST by discostu (Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start)
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