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1 posted on 12/16/2015 1:47:58 PM PST by Citizen Zed
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I don’t suppose it could have anything to do with
unreasonable/unobtainable goals.......Noooooooooooo.


2 posted on 12/16/2015 1:50:33 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Or the laws of chemistry.
3 posted on 12/16/2015 1:50:49 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (,)
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or cheating


4 posted on 12/16/2015 1:52:32 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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Four more horsepower and over 50 lbs. heavier than 2013.

Taxes and license fees by weight are coming!


5 posted on 12/16/2015 1:57:30 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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Tell Al Gore to lose his SUV.


6 posted on 12/16/2015 2:01:13 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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My mother asked why SUV’s and trucks are so popular. In a word, space. Cars that meet the EPA restrictions are too small to ride comfortably in day after day. It wouldn’t be so bad if they’d bring back bench seats and skip the sexy center console. But every new car interior resembles a fighter’s cockpit. Give me a bench seat and some foot room please.


7 posted on 12/16/2015 2:05:25 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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One wonders if the EPA understands the concept of “diminishing returns”.


8 posted on 12/16/2015 2:10:16 PM PST by JoSixChip
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In the wintry woods of NH, a Prius is not an option.
I NEED 4-wheel drive, I NEED loading and towing capacity and I'm not one of those wealthy celebrities who can afford a different car for every occasion.
So pickup it is.

9 posted on 12/16/2015 2:13:53 PM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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backsliding, oh the horror! Man’s contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere might just reach 0.00137% of the atmosphere by 3015 if we don’t jump right on that!


10 posted on 12/16/2015 2:15:11 PM PST by Bob434
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Note that this comes as automakers are EXCEEDING the CAFE standards required improvement. That’s because there are cheats built into CAFE, such a huge approved fake numbers for flex fuel vehicles. Another reason fuel ethanol isn’t going away soon.


13 posted on 12/16/2015 2:20:41 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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But amazing as the news may be, the New York Times is reporting that a government audit found the EPA may have broken the law with their endless politicking in support of the administration’s changes to the clean water rules. And this isn’t a minor charge, either.

Can anyone tell me why we should believe anything that comes out of this criminal, agenda-driven organization? They have lost all credibility and should be shut down as a colossal failure.

14 posted on 12/16/2015 2:22:23 PM PST by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum)
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auto makers should call the bluff, like they did back in the mid 70’s.


15 posted on 12/16/2015 2:22:46 PM PST by stylin19a
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The geniuses at the EPA see no problem with demanding cleaner cars at the same time they demand better mileage. The two objectives are much of the time incompatible.

Meanwhile, Americans are voting with their checkbooks. SUV’s, pickup trucks and minivans remain popular. Electric cars are selling like crap sandwiches.

For those of us who live in the north electric cars are totally impractical. Who wants a tin can with a 25 mile range and no heater in -20 weather?


16 posted on 12/16/2015 2:23:12 PM PST by Senator_Blutarski
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Automakers sold more vehicles that were heavier, larger and produced more horsepower, according to the EPA numbers. Consumers bought more light trucks and SUVs, and fewer passenger sedans.

I wonder if that was because those were the cars people wanted to buy.

If people wanted small cramped cars that got 60 miles per gallon the car manufacturers would sell lots of them but people don’t buy cars that are uncomfortable and inconvenient because all you can stuff into it is a deck of cards. Then there is the fact that those light fuel efficient cars get blown off the road by the first brisk wind that comes along or the first 18 wheeler that happens to pass you.

20 posted on 12/16/2015 2:40:33 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Did it ever occur to these utopians that, at some point, you reach a point of diminishing returns? This has been my complaint and frustration for years now, i.e., that modern cars burn really cleanly and as older vehicles phase out of use the total emissions of actual pollutants will continue to diminish.


22 posted on 12/16/2015 2:49:17 PM PST by mtrott
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The performance and mileage for each model is either improving or staying pretty much the same. However, the corporate average fuel economy is falling because people are choosing to buy heavier cars with more horsepower. It is not the failure of the auto companies that is driving this, but consumer demand.

Does the EPA mean to say that the American People have failed because we have not advanced toward their arbitrary goal? What kind of a screwed-up attitude is that for a government agency to tell the people that they have failed? They answer to the people, not the other way around.

Maybe the government should just fire the American People and import a population from abroad that is more cooperative and tractable, willing to work for lower pay, drive smaller cars, and vote reliably Democrat.

Nawwww. That would be crazy!

23 posted on 12/16/2015 2:49:49 PM PST by Haiku Guy (January 4, 2015 will be Hillary Clinton's Coming Out Day)
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Every time a refugee comes to the United States from some Third World basket case of a country, he immediately begins to produce many times more CO2 emissions as he starts to drive cars, live in a heated house, and adopt the US consumer life-style. This increase in CO2 emissions will lead to Global Climate Change, if you believe in that sort of thing...

So we should require that these people stay out of the United States to prevent these increased emissions. After all, Global Climate Change is the biggest national security threat we face. Future generations will curse us for each refugee we accept, because we are increasing the severity of the future devastation.

Won’t somebody think of the children?!?


24 posted on 12/16/2015 2:54:34 PM PST by Haiku Guy (January 4, 2015 will be Hillary Clinton's Coming Out Day)
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No tree grows to the sky. The next step would be forcing drivers into itty-bitty cars, and out of their SUVs.

The question that really needs to be asked is what is the goal? Peak oil has been postponed indefinitely; America is about to become an oil exporter; and the nation runs on energy. Is there a clear, distinct goal here that the country can agree on? Or is it regulation for its own sake?


27 posted on 12/16/2015 3:09:17 PM PST by sparklite2 (Islam = all bathwater, no baby.)
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People who would normally buy the smallest, most fuel efficient cars don’t have any money for new ones. The folks with some change for new car are buying bigger ones, and trucks. Fleet mileage naturally goes down. Expect more onerous gas guzzler taxes in 3...2...1...


28 posted on 12/16/2015 3:18:40 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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The envirowackos won’t be happy until we’re all riding bikes everywhere.


30 posted on 12/16/2015 9:40:29 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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