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Good news!.....................for farmers.....................Big Oil, not so much...................
1 posted on 12/04/2015 12:48:06 PM PST by Red Badger
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2 posted on 12/04/2015 12:51:03 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger

I don’t see it discussing the only thing that really matters, cost.

If it is starting with ethanol, which is already more cost per mile than gasoline, then it is a worse solution than ethanol. It has the cost of ethanol, and then additional processing cost.


4 posted on 12/04/2015 1:06:55 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Good news!....for farmers

Farmers are used to smelly things but women are a harder sell. Butanol is the sickly smell of a Sharpie marker.

10 posted on 12/04/2015 1:24:26 PM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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Butanol, the gasoline substitute promoted by billionaire Richard Branson, is headed for its debut at U.S. pumps as soon as next year in a challenge to ethanol’s domination of the $26 billion renewable fuels market.

Like ethanol, the colorless alcohol can be brewed from corn, though it packs more energy when mixed into gasoline. Butamax Advanced Biofuel LLC, funded by DuPont Co. and BP Plc, is retrofitting an ethanol plant in Minnesota to begin making butanol in commercial volumes in 2015. Gevo Inc., backed by French oil producer Total SA and Branson through his Virgin Green Fund, already runs a distillery 60 miles away. Both say they’ve lined up clients for large-scale deliveries.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-29/branson-s-butanol-heading-to-u-s-as-ethanol-substitute

Maybe.


11 posted on 12/04/2015 1:29:14 PM PST by McGruff (I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction - Barack Obama)
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Unlike ethanol, butanol is less corrosive, doesn’t attract moisture which can cause harmful “phase separation” of the fuel, and can be mixed in ahead of time and shipped through existing pipelines. It has a higher energy value (110,000 Btu per gallon versus ethanol’s 84,000 Btu), and is safer because its flammability is similar to diesel fuel. So why aren’t America’s boaters, motorists and gas-powered tool and toy owners using butanol?

“Part of the answer is how the stuff is - or was - made,” wrote BoatUS Seaworthy Magazine Editor and Damage Avoidance Expert Bob Adriance. He says, “Back in the 1980’s when the government was looking at biofuels, the cost to produce butanol was much higher than ethanol. Congress also gave ethanol a head start 30 years ago with a subsidy to produce it from corn. However, the subsidy is now expired and new technologies have made the costs to produce both fuels similar, although butanol is ultimately far less expensive to produce in terms of the amount of energy delivered per gallon.”

http://www.sailingbreezes.com/Sailing_Breezes_Current/Articles/Feb12/boatUS-asks-if-not-ethanol-why-not-butanol.html

Interesting.


12 posted on 12/04/2015 1:33:36 PM PST by McGruff (I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction - Barack Obama)
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One more carbon ... Kinda like the difference between heptane and octane.


15 posted on 12/04/2015 2:41:40 PM PST by IronJack
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END SUBSIDIES and MANDATES now!


16 posted on 12/04/2015 3:05:09 PM PST by GeronL (I remember when this was a conservative forum)
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I wish I could send a BILL (as in Invoice) to the folks in Iowa for all of my incurred expense (Repairs, Replacement costs, loss of Mileage, Downtime etc etc etc) for their beloved Ethanol subsidies aka Frankin Fuel.


19 posted on 12/04/2015 6:14:01 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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Butane is a bastard gas.


21 posted on 12/04/2015 7:59:33 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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