Liberal wishful thinking.
Enter a religion defined by God’s mercy and inclusion …God’s mercy does not feature inclusion of the wicked. Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent, as Adam Smith once pointed out.
And still grumbling at what might have been.
Thank you Jesus, for giving us JPII and stopping the takeover from the left.
The religious orders who are conservative are the ones getting all the new recruits.
Sounds just like the Anglican Church - and all 50 members of it.
Can I suggest this be moved to the Religion Forum? It would likely get a lot more attention there.
"Start with small steps - allowing communion to divorced or co-habiting couples, the Church not judging gay men in loving relationships (both positions Francis himself has espoused)...
False. Divorced couples can receive the Sacraments now, on the same basis as everybody else: being in a State of Grace, having confessed their sins and being forgiven, and intending not to go back to the sin.
If someone had attempted a subsequent "civil marriage" with somebody else, that person's sin would be that second "marriage": adulterous cohabitation.
b>Civil divorce itself, alone, is not a sin per se As for "gay men in loving relationships," Pope Francis did not say their homosexual conduct is not to be "judged". To put that whole wild media theme into context, it was said about one priest--- one priest ---who was said to have an active homosexual past:
In regard to Monsignor Ricca, I’ve done what Canon Law orders to do, which is the investigatio previa. [He was investigated!] And from this investigatio there is nothing of which they accuse him, we haven’t found anything of that.[They found nothing!]"...in this case, they go to look for the “sins of youth,†for instance, and this is published. Not the crimes, alas. Crimes are something else: the abuse of minors is a crime. No, the sins. "But if a person, lay or priest or Sister, has committed a sin and then has converted, the Lord forgives, and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is important for our life. When we go to confession and truly say: “I have sinned in this,†the Lord forgets. "But, returning to your more concrete question: in this case, I’ve done the investigatio previa and we found nothing. One must distinguish the fact of being a gay person from the fact of doing a lobby, because not all lobbies are good. That’s bad. If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this in such a beautiful way, it says, Wait a bit, as is said and says: "these persons must not be marginalized because of this; they must be integrated in society."
So he was not talking about "homosexuals in a loving relationship." He was talking about a priest, in the explicit context of the Catechism (which calls homosexual relations a matter of "grave depravity") and in the context of repentance, Confession, and forgiveness.
Not approval, affirmation, and pride!
“the Church not judging gay men in loving relationships”
The Church does not judge hearts, only actions....and these gay actions will always be abominations....because Jesus said so and you can’t change His Church, only create a spin off as a protester.
dreaming...what if satan had the power of Jesus, instead of just the power of an Angel....it would be a very bad world indeed. But there would be gay marriage and such!
Actually that is much what the RCC is in America, along with liberal Prot churches, both of which, as with all, testify to what they truly believe by what they do and effect.
Since Pius XII? I'd say it's fairly unrecognizable.