Posted on 11/08/2015 1:35:43 PM PST by conservativejoy
As the Republican candidates life story comes under increasing scrutiny, it has become clear that Carson is missing an essential value I learned in the army.
As a private in basic training, I learned the Army Values. We were issued a plastic card, on which they were listed: loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity and personal courage. For any inspection, until I left the military as a sergeant, that card was a required item.
The US army still teaches the Army Values to every soldier. Its a cheesy, motivational speaker esque acronym that spells 'LDRSHIP'. But it is also useful for teaching new troops, many of whom enter the military with little direction or understanding of what soldiering requires.
The Army Values can be learned in any walk of life. Even running for the presidency. But one such value, integrity, seems to have escaped one Republican candidate altogether.
Ben Carsons personal story is in question, and rightly so. There was the Popeyes stick up in Baltimore that likely never happened, according to Baltimore police. The snake oil company Carson claimed he never shilled for, despite readily availably video evidence of Carson schilling for snake oil. The brutally violent attacks he committed during his childhood that no one who grew up with him can seem to remember. And, of course, a claim that he was offered a 'scholarship' to the United States Military Academy by General William Westmoreland, but turned it down to go to Yale.
'There is no such thing as being 'offered a full scholarship’ at West Point,' recalls Frederick Wellman, a West Point alumnus who served for 22 years, obtained a graduate degree from Harvard University and now leads ScoutComms, an agency advocating for veterans. 'You apply. You get in. Meeting a general doesnt get you in.'
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
Since I was with a man who went through the process of applying to the Naval Academy with the recommendations of Admirals (his dad was a well connected officer) and he did not get in, I know the recommendations of higher ups are helpful but not a guarantee. There are many aspects of a young man they want to see in addition to recommendations and GPA’s. They are systematics in their evaluations and treat everyone equally - from the farm boy to the Northeastern private school crowd.
So you are wrong about Westmoreland having the power to get people into West Point. It’s very competitive and recommendations are only one small part of the process.
No! That’s not how it works.
So let me get this straight. We should all pay attention to your feelings about Carson and ignore the facts about Cruz’s voting record?
Please address this before posting any more for you knee jerk childish attack bot postings.
You inability to do anything but post childish rants based on nothing more sustainable their your own inflated sense of the infallibility of your feelings renders you irrelevant here.
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From his Senate office website
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=137
Offers amendment to increase H-1B visas to help improve, retain high-skilled labor force
May 14, 2013
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press@cruz.senate.gov / (202) 228-7561
WASHINGTON, DC – U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) today presented an amendment to the Gang of Eight immigration bill that would improve our nation’s legal immigration system by increasing high-skilled temporary worker visas, called H-1B visas, by 500 percent
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I think I'll pass.
Nonsense...at best.....just 1 point, every West point student receives a scholarship....ie:free tuition and room/board.....they incur some obligation after graduation, but the trip through the academy costs them nothing.....and opportunities like this were regularly offered to worthy Blacks in those years......no problem!!!
Carson did an hour PBS special for Mannatech and credited the company for funding his $2.5 Million endowment chair at Johns Hopkins.
As for the alleged conversation with Gen. Westmoreland, I don’t believe it ever happened. If it had, Carson would have remembered when it happened and not named a time when Westmoreland was not even in that city.
Back to the normal lying character assasination. You are just a lying rug.
West Point sends out hundreds of recruiters. In addition to them, Senior Officers join the recruiting effort. USMA alumni organizations assist in recruiting. The West Point Parent association joins in.
The post-Viet Nam years that Carson would be recruited in were TOUGH YEARS to be recruiting candidates. The Army would be particularly interested in accessing a promising, top of his ROTC program kid like Carson.
Many of them base their description of a cadet’s ‘free ride’ on West Point documentation which says it is a Scholarship. How else would a recruiter describe in a concise way the reality of pay, room and board, health benefits and adherence to the UCMJ?
I am pretty sure that the USMA recruiters that talked to me talked about full scholarships and there is no doubt in my mind that they also talked to him about them. If he had wanted to attend West Point it probably would have fallen into place given that situation.
You are a very pathetic and small person to attack Carson on this.
She’s a serial liar. Its hard to believe someone with her allergy to the truth is a conservative.
Are you on the payroll?
Better than a Democrat, of course, but . . .
IMHO Trump looks great as a candidate in the general election - but he could be a very poor president. Better than most Democrats, but . . .
Recruiters are not authorized to offer scholarships. They can only get people they think may be good prospects to apply to West Point. The process is still the same for acceptance. No offer was made to Carson because he never initiated the process by applying. I think he would have likely gotten in. He got into Yale on Affirmative Action.
The only offer that can be made to West Point is one that is made from the ongoing admissions process. They are not handed out by recruiters to folks who have not even applied. I think Carson could have gotten in if he had applied, gotten his nomination from a Congressman and following the process, but saying that he did get in when he didn’t was not truthful.
Richard Allen Smith clearly does not understand the meaning of the word Integrity.
-—Recruiters are not authorized to offer scholarships.
Pulling cr(* out of your anal orifice. You have no idea what a recruiter would or would not be authorized to talk about.
Of course USMA recruiters talk about ‘scholarships’ and they make it more real to a standout.. A high school kid would hear it as an offer.
-—He got into Yale on Affirmative Action.
You really are an nasty cockroach of a person.
That is not how West Point works. There is a Process that determines who gets into West Point. It starts with an application. There must be a Congressman to nominate an individual. Then the applicants are evaluated by the administrators and candidates are selected to receive offers of appointment. Carson did not apply, no process was initiated, no slot offered to Ben Carson. If he had applied and taken the required steps, I believe he would have likely gotten in.
Carson even acknowledges that he got into Yale with a little extra help which was affirmative action.
You can tell me nothing about West Point recruiting. Nothing.
I was a West Point nominee, my son was a West Point nominee. I served with West Pointers through all my military career.
There are HUGE resources involved in West Point recruiting. http://westpointforusall.org/case-for-support.html West Point recruiters dangle the economic benefits (also known as ‘scholarships’) in their RECRUITING efforts- Period. Its marketing. Its competition. That’s part of the game, they have to compete with all the the other universities at college fairs, college days, dinners, events.
That’s the step BEFORE the application.
It is WITHOUT DOUBT that a stellar prospect like Doctor Carson would get even more of the marketing inducement, more of a promise. What else would a Field Grade Officer or retired Flag Officer say to a stellar high school prospect than something like ‘we’ll get you in on a full scholarship’? - with the mechanics of that applications, nominations, physical testing, etc. less highlighted.
He had every right to be proud that he was considered a first class prospect that the Army specifically targeted to access to West Point as evidence by one or another recruiter saying that ‘he could get a scholarship’.
Recruiters can “dangle” whatever they want to, but they cannot bestow an appointment to West Point on anyone. Carson or anyone else has to apply and go through the process. Like I said, I think Carson would have likely gotten in, but he didn’t go through the process and receive a formal acceptance so we’ll never know.
At this point, I’m much more concerned about his support for amnesty, gun control and TPP.
So, contrary to your many posts he didn’t lie about this. Thanks for recognizing reality.
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