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Help with my essay on the "right to revolution"?

Posted on 10/25/2015 11:00:06 AM PDT by Politicalkiddo

So I am writing a paper for my PoliSci class on the "right of revolution" and I plan to use John Locke's writings as my main supporting evidence. My professor, however, wants me to find a specific someone who was/is against the idea of people having the right to revolution, and I cannot find anyone specific. I keep finding vague answers about monarchs, but no one who has actually spoken/written out against the idea. Any suggestions? :) Thank you!


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To: agrarianlady

Thanks. :)


21 posted on 10/25/2015 11:21:35 AM PDT by Politicalkiddo ("'Return to me, and I will return to you,' says the LORD Almighty." -Malachi 3:7)
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To: Politicalkiddo

Edmund Burke rejected the appeal made by the revolutionaries to abstract individual rights. For Burke the important contrast is not between repressive governments and the abstract rights of the rational individual, but between the beautiful order of society bonded by loyalties and prejudice and a disbanded race of deserters and vagabonds.


22 posted on 10/25/2015 11:22:46 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Politicalkiddo

I suggest perusing Edmund Burke’s Reflections on the Revolution in France. Burke is generally regarded as the father of conservatism and while sympathetic to American grievances with the Crown, he took a dim view of overthrowing governments.


23 posted on 10/25/2015 11:23:27 AM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

A possible idea to explore:
Establishment Christian doctrine was greatly at odds with supporting the American colonial revolutionary movement.
One side extolled God commands obedience to the King he allowed to be in power, versus the opposing minister’s who preached the parallel analogy of God’s people having a right to escape tyranny (Moses leading Jews out of Egypt).

This same religious division arose during early labor union formation in the 1890’s thru 1930’s. Respecting master - slave / servant worker relationship in spite of poor pay and work conditions, versus rejecting that old biblical premise in favor of supporting of socialist labor rights of the worker for revolution, espoused by Engel, Marx and Lenin.


24 posted on 10/25/2015 11:24:47 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Politicalkiddo
Obviously, King George was against the US Revolution.

The Loyalists were colonists who were against the Revolution. These were mostly exiled of fled the USA after the war. History doesn't much care what they had to say or think.

25 posted on 10/25/2015 11:24:53 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: mjp

Thank you very much. :)


26 posted on 10/25/2015 11:25:25 AM PDT by Politicalkiddo ("'Return to me, and I will return to you,' says the LORD Almighty." -Malachi 3:7)
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To: Politicalkiddo

At least 40 US presidents have been against the right to revolution.

I would use both Lincoln and Obama.


27 posted on 10/25/2015 11:25:56 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: mjp

Odd as it seems, he was vehemently opposed to the French revolution, and argued vociferously with John Locke on the subject.
But Ed was a strong supporter of our own revolution against England.

I think he must have been a very wise man .... :^)


28 posted on 10/25/2015 11:26:01 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

The Divine Right of Kings is contrary to lockes natural law. Look there,


29 posted on 10/25/2015 11:26:15 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Trump/Cruz 2016)
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To: Politicalkiddo

You will find a good summary of the issues (and perhaps some valuable footnotes) in Rousas Rushdoony’s “This Independent Republic” (c1964, I think). Also check his “The Institutes of Biblical Law” (c1973, I think).


30 posted on 10/25/2015 11:26:18 AM PDT by TIElniff (Autonomy is the guise of every graceless heart.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

Shay’s Rebellion might be a useful starting point. It was a significant driver of the Constitution (Shay’s Rebellion took place under the Articles of Confederation.)

In any event, Geo. Washington came out of retirement to quell the rebellion.

The Constitutional clause concerning treason against the United States was an outgrowth of Shay’s Rebellion and perhaps you will find a useful discussion or two in the Federalist Papers or the Anti-Federalist Papers.


31 posted on 10/25/2015 11:26:57 AM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: Politicalkiddo

Abraham Lincoln and his thoughts on the Civil War.


32 posted on 10/25/2015 11:27:09 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame enobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: TIElniff

Perfect. I will look into it. :) Thank you.


33 posted on 10/25/2015 11:27:40 AM PDT by Politicalkiddo ("'Return to me, and I will return to you,' says the LORD Almighty." -Malachi 3:7)
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To: tumblindice

Locke sub Thomas Paine


34 posted on 10/25/2015 11:28:17 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

Try William Franklin, Royal Governor of New Jersey and Ben’s son. Also see what we did to him and how he was treated by the rebellion’s leaders.


35 posted on 10/25/2015 11:29:31 AM PDT by jjr153 (Never Forget 9/11)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Locke was one of the first positivists: `positive law’.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke-political/


36 posted on 10/25/2015 11:30:16 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

the Ventian Black Nobility families. I.e. the Guelfs, of which the Queen of England is a direct descendant.


37 posted on 10/25/2015 11:31:06 AM PDT by Vic S
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To: Politicalkiddo

Look up “Tories” in the American Revolutionary period. For the most part, they resisted the notion that the Colonists had any right to reject English sovereignty. I can’t cite any particular personality, but there should be some if you research.


38 posted on 10/25/2015 11:35:04 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Politicalkiddo

A famous argument for despotism is given by the Grand Inquisitor in Dostoyevsky’s “The Brothers Karamazov.


39 posted on 10/25/2015 11:35:32 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Politicalkiddo

There is also a very good book called “Tories” by Thomas B Allen about the American colonists who remained loyal to their King and country. There is an old adage that the history of wars are usually written by the victors, and the American Revolution is an excellent case in point. We have successfully whitewashed a very messy and at times dirty war and created a whole mythology around it. Probably a third or more of the people living in the colonies were loyalists and they suffered quite badly. There is a branch of my own family in Canada who trace their move there to when they had to flee New England after having their land stolen in the period following our Revolution.

The war was far more complicated then most Americans realize.


40 posted on 10/25/2015 11:35:54 AM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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