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To: vpintheak

[ But Columbus was evil. The natives were just peace-loving hippies until he came along... ]

The Mayans had already extincted themselves as a culture long before Columbus came, the remnants moved north and heavily influenced the Aztecs who you guessed it performed ritual human sacrifice.

The Aztecs Sucked and so did the Spaniard bastards and the Portuguese Whores as well.

Liberal college professors like to blame English American settlers for ALL the ills of the western hemisphere, but, BUT, the real monsters from Europe where the Spaniards and the Portuguese. They did a hell of a lot more Slaughter and Plundering than English, even in North America as a whole! The French were fairly Brutal too all said.

The English were no angels but they were a hell of a lot better to deal with if you were a native than the other groups.


6 posted on 10/21/2015 4:05:58 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: GraceG

True, and even if the English rulers who oversaw the colonization from afar where not much better than the Spanish or Portuguese rulers, there was a big difference over here, on the ground based on how the colonization was managed. The Spanish and Portuguese mostly expanded their sphere with the military, the militant religious orders, and state-directed mercantile operations. Settling was almost an afterthought, with a lot of the European settlers being ex-convicts who had been sent to penal colonies in the new world.

The English on the other hand, left most of the colonization to more privately-directed entitities, who had state approval and support, but were more independent. So they ended up with a lot of smaller religious communities who lived by self-imposed moral codes populating their holdings, instead of soldiers, slavers, priests, and criminals.


9 posted on 10/21/2015 4:17:31 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: GraceG

I agree. There is fair blame to go around for everyone. Leftists are cowards, and it’s easy to blame western culture and not get your head chopped off.


10 posted on 10/21/2015 4:39:32 PM PDT by vpintheak (A Free Man! Death before disarmament!)
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To: GraceG
Not really. The Spaniards and Portuguese did some killing, but 95% of all deaths among natives was due to germs brought over from Europe -- read "Guns, germs and steel" for more detail

The English settlers didn't have to kill so many because most were killed by germs which spread faster and earlier than the Europeans who followed them

22 posted on 10/22/2015 2:18:45 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: GraceG

You are totally correct-to paint either group of as innocent people coming ashore on boats and skipping off to save everyone, or following unicorns through the forest looks beyond naïve-the Spaniards didn’t bring their armor and horses over to make Natives’ lives better-they came to rape and pillage. Indians didn’t step up the sacrifices, gather warriors, sharpen weapons and hide treasure to please guests-they wanted the “guests” dead...

The Mayans were indeed done as the big dog in MesoAmerica by the time the Spanish came-just like the Olmecs, Toltecs, and all the other groups who came before them-raided, fought wars for dominance and were dominated in their turn-it doesn’t look any different than what went on at some given time in Europe, Asia, Africa or anywhere else-archaeological digs have found plain evidence of it all over the place, and carted it to museums for everyone to look at.

As someone descended from both Spaniards and Native Americans-and an avid student of non-revisionist history-it seems to me that the Spaniards learned torture and mayhem when they were part of the Roman Empire-as did the French- and just happened to have been a bit more advanced in their techniques than the Natives when the two societies met and clashed-those were brutal times, and people acted accordingly-I don’t see any of their interactions fit into present day morals or motives of any kind-they had few restrictions and even less restraint...

If there was a culture that did not practice blood-letting, human sacrifice and torture at some point in antiquity, no one has found it yet-so no peace loving hippies appear to have been part of human history...


31 posted on 10/22/2015 11:54:29 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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