Ironically, most creationists I know of have no problem with horizontal variations such as the one this experiment generated.
Nifty!
Why is it that every article from the ICR is simply another criticism of evolutionary theory? And usually a small part of it, which is then extrapolated to “the whole theory must be junk”, just like leftists like to point to one crazed gun-owner and then paint every gun-owner as a crazie.
Not once is there ever an article from the ICR offering evidence in support of an alternate theory.
Not once.
30,000+ generations? Gees.... it ought to be a catfish by now.
LOL! Good analogy!
So, after 33,000 generations, e. coli is still e. coli.
That depends on the environment. If the environment has changed so that the only source of food is at the other end of one of those pipes, the man without arms can survive while his "robust" peers are going to starve to death.
I see no evidence of evolution in nature. However, I’ve seen loads of evidence of extinction.
“evolution by degradation”, where have I observed that before?
Oh yah, Islam and the Democrat party!
Quote from the cited Harvard article:
After 30,000 generations, researchers noticed something strange. One population had evolved the ability to use a different carbon-based molecule in the solution, called citrate, as a power source.
Researchers wondered whether it was the result of a rare, single mutation, or a more complex change involving a series of mutations over generations. To find out, one of Lenski’s postdocs, Zachary Blount, took some of the frozen cells and grew them in a culture lacking glucose, with citrate as the only potential food source.
After testing 10 trillion ancestral cells from early generations, he got no growth. But when he tested cells from the 20,000th generation on, he began to get results, eventually finding 19 mutants that could use citrate as a power source. The results showed that the citrate-eating mutation was most likely not the result of a single mutation, but one enabled by multiple changes over 20,000 generations.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/02/evolution-in-real-time/
On February 24, 1988, evolutionary biologist Richard Lenski began an ingenious ongoing experiment to test and demonstrate evolution.
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Actually this is a groundbreaking and ongoing example of experimental evolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_evolution), and more specifically an example of microevolution rather than the more general evolution, which takes much longer and needs much more varied environments.
5. Behe, M. A Blind Man Carrying a Legless Man Can Safely Cross the Street: Experimentally Confirming the Limits to Darwinian Evolution. Evolution News. Posted on evolutionnews.org January 11, 2012, accessed August 13, 2015. Emphasis in original.
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I like how “Brian Thomas, M.S. *” formally cites the ICR’s own blog.
Thank you for posting this article!
Here is a related link to Michael Behe’s article.
“A Blind Man Carrying a Legless Man Can Safely Cross the Street: Experimentally Confirming the Limits to Darwinian Evolution”
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/01/a_blind_man_car055021.html
Agreed. That doesn’t sound like “evolution” to me. Now, if e. coli had started to morph into chickens or dinosaurs...
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
The Bible indicates that there are principalities and powers that have the world enslaved after the fall of man. They do this largely by using the fallen mind of man (Read Romans 1 to catch the “flavor” of how a mind that does not want to retain the knowledge of God operates) and “suggesting” shall we say alternative ideas to God’s revelation to man.
Modern man is not going to fall for the things primitive man did (although even that seems to be changing). Just look in the political realm as it’s a little easier to see it. The darling philosophy of multiculturalism is ridiculous as are many, many liberal ideas. Common sense (closely related to what God has revealed in his Word) knew these “ideas” wouldn’t work. Look what it’s done to Europe and our own country. But it was soooo highly prized and the elites were sure it would be great. Remember the Greeks? Man is the measure of all things. That philosophy still reigns today in the hearts of many. Just ask any student in jr. high if they think it fair for the A students to “share their grades with the F students so both average out to a C. We all know that 1/2 our population can’t be on welfare but the Dems would love to have everyone sign up and of course vote Democrat. We all know it’s going to come crashing down at some point and we know it is going to hurt us greatly but we charge ahead.
Don’t tell me these aren’t fair arguments or it’s a totally different field - they are fair. They show a heart in rebellion. Our real enemy, Satan and his gang use imaginations, philosophies, and everything exalted against the revealed Word of God. They package it up so it looks and smells nice - and did I mention intellectually stimulating? What teenage boy doesn’t want to hear that it’s ok to sleep around and look at porn? Do you think secular scientists do not have a similar point of vulnerability when it comes to science?
The Higher Critical Movements theologians, for the most part, held presuppositions that were already anti God so it wasn’t surprising that they came to the conclusions they had already preconceived. It’s the heart of man that is the problem. It’s in rebellion to its Creator and will not submit. During the 1950’s one of the Marx brothers stated that the way to get ahead in television was to break as many of the 10 Commandments on a tv show as possible. You see, we know there’s a dark side to us and we also know what’s appealing to that dark side. If we know and can exploit that just think what a fallen angelic being can do with that information?
The arguments raised up against the knowledge of God are just the excuses we give back to God for not believing what he has said all along. There in Romans 1 it say because of this, “God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient.” In other words, God lets them go deeper and deeper into the sin they love so much and the puffed up ideas they hold against the authority God holds over their lives. This game is going to end and soon. Believe what you want - you will have to explain yourself one day to him. I hope you repent before that Day and accept his grace and forgiveness but if that’s too uncool for you and too yesterday and too un-modern, I sincerely hope you have your little arguments ready about why evolution was so dear to your heart. Ya’ll got sum splaining to do. The great human minds against the Creator. It should be quite a show.
Life from lifeless chemicals is laughable. The stupendous irreducible complexity of the most “simple” single-celled organism should cause them to revisit their theory. But they don’t, because it’s just as much faith-based as belief in creation is. Their complete lack of “transitional forms” of organisms from one kind to another should cause them to revisit their theory. But they don’t, because it’s just as much faith-based as belief in creation is. Evolution stands on those two nonexistent legs.
When the theory was first devised, man was ignorant about this complexity, and about the total lack of “transitional forms.” Now there’s less ignorance, and significantly more rebelliousness.
Evolutionism truly is a nothing but a pagan faith, complete with spontaneous generation and magical transformations they have no evidence for. Where’s the separation of church and state when you need it?
When researchers first described this development in 2012, they speculated that mutations constructed new and complicated cellular machinery,
It show’s lack of thinking for “new and complicated cellular machinery.”
When I came through school in the ancient days, this was called gene expression. The information was there but for some reason expressed.....................
The question then became, what is causing it to be expressed.
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