WE ASKED A CULTURAL HISTORIAN: ARE APPLE STORES THE NEW TEMPLES?

To: freedumb2003

General consensus is the author is nuts.

41 posted on 09/30/2015 6:22:07 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)

To: freedumb2003

If you don’t see the connection, you’re pretty thick. Way to avoid the question.
And yes, plenty of sensible rebuttals have been provided.
How about you take your telling somewhere else and leave interested FReepers have their fun?

42 posted on 09/30/2015 6:26:01 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)

>>General consensus is the author is nuts.<<

Link to said consensus analysis and also looking for a logical argument vs. my thesis?

43 posted on 09/30/2015 6:26:48 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

telling = trolling

Darn autocorrect.

44 posted on 09/30/2015 6:27:23 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)

To: freedumb2003

Logical argument: you’re a troll.

45 posted on 09/30/2015 6:30:24 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)

>>If you don’t see the connection, you’re pretty thick. Way to avoid the question.<<

Which question have I avoided? Whether the new iPhone is a little faster, if subfunctional? The data are already dated. You fan boys are the ones evading the question.

>>And yes, plenty of sensible rebuttals have been provided.
How about you take your telling somewhere else and leave interested FReepers have their fun?<<

Not a single sensible rebuttal to the FUNCTIONALITY issue has been presented. There were plenty of references to speed tests, which mean.. um, let me think here... NOTHING.

Apple continues to trail in functionality and I have yet to see you fanboys explain why people line up at midnight when APPLE NEW! is declared and we adults just wait a little while for our latest tech upgrade. Which was the OP’s point and mine.

Not a word of rebuttal. Just ad hominem.

46 posted on 09/30/2015 6:34:22 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

>>Logical argument: you’re a troll.<<

Translation from Fanboyspeak: “I got nuthin’”

47 posted on 09/30/2015 6:35:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

To: freedumb2003

You don’t know the difference between benchmarks and functionality. Even your own references just gauge speed. Great, it is a little faster until the next gen of the next phone.

Freedumb, loading apps increases functionality. . . and the ability to access apps increases functionality. The ability to rapidly move data back and forth from memory to caches for the processor to crunch increases functionality, All of this smooths the operation of the user interface for the USER and increases the functions of the device. The faster the device the more it can do in each clock cycle.

You seem to be deaf. The FUNCTIONS of the iPhone are one offs of the Android applications.

You keep claiming this, but you will not provide evidence. Yelling it more and more is not evidence, freedumb, it's just more noise from you. . . and irritating. Try listing these spec sheet functions you claim are so much better and available on Android before Apple that are actually USED by anyone. C'mon, you claim it, you must know what these SLOW superior functions are. . . tell us what they are! You seem to be of the opinions these functions were not available as iOS applications either and were Android monopolies. . . what a Maroon, if that was what you thought.

I note it does not evaluate the Galaxy 6+ series.

You seem to suffer from chart dyslexia or you did not even look at the charts. The Galaxy S6+ and the Galaxy S6 are identical phones internally. . . but in graphics capability, the Galaxy S6+ is far slower, being required to schlep around more pixels on a larger screen with the same hardware. The Samsung Galaxy S6 is at the BOTTOM of this chart, showing the iPhone 6S plus, at the TOP of the chart, is THREE TIMES FASTER:

iPhone 6s Plus vs. Galaxy S6 Edge+: Apple Trounces Samsung in Speedtests

By Michael Gardiner

According to preliminary benchmark tests conducted by AnandTech, Apple’s new iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus trounces the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge and Galaxy S6 Edge+ in almost every single speed category possible.
In fact, the only thing that can even compete with Apple’s new A9 processor is Microsoft’s Surface Pro 3, which is essentially a desktop computer.
“Overall, NAND performance is impressive, especially in sequential cases,” Joshua Ho of AnandTech wrote. “Apple has integrated a mobile storage solution that I haven’t seen in any other device yet, and the results suggest that they’re ahead of just about every other OEM in the industry here by a significant amount.
Cult of Mac attributes the quickness of the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus to Apple’s engineering chops, saying that Apple converted the Macbook’s solid state drive (SSD) storage controller to work in miniature for a smartphone, meaning that the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus now access their SSD unlike how any other smartphones access their SSD.
AnandTech has a more in-depth explanation of how Apple managed to achieve this with the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, with lots of chart-y goodness.
“The GPU improvements are enormous,” Ho explained on AnandTech, “and while we don’t have enough data to determine whether the iPhone 6s retains the same sustained GPU performance that we saw in the iPhone 6, the peak performance figures are impressive to say the least.”
So what else did the iPhone 6s and the iPhone 6s Plus best? Well in a sequential write test, the new iPhones did better than the iPad Air 2, the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge, and the Motorola Moto X. On an overall GPU test, the Microsoft Surface Pro 3 did beat the iPhone 6s, but the iPhone came in second, beating the Xiaomi Mi Note Pro, the Google Nexus and the Galaxy S6 Edge.
In a GFXBench test, the iPhone 6s performed similarly, except that the iPad Air 2 beat it this time. Length of web browsing on Wi-FI, the Apple iPhone 6 Plus was actually the winner, by almost an hour over the new iPhone 6s Plus, so you can tell the battery has been downgraded significantly. However, the iPhone 6s Plus still managed to beat the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge.
When it come to loading web pages, Microsoft’s Surface Pro 3 again won the day, but just barely, with the iPhone 6s coming in a close second. The iPad Air 2, the iPhone 6 Plus and the iPhone 5s all tagged behind, but all were ahead of the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge.

So much for your ignorance, FreeDUMB2003. . . try to learn to analyze charts. Children shouldn't criticize their more educated elders when they don't know at all what they are talking about. . . like you!

48 posted on 09/30/2015 8:05:16 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)

To: freedumb2003; ctdonath2

Which question have I avoided? Whether the new iPhone is a little faster, if subfunctional? The data are already dated. You fan boys are the ones evading the question.

"Subfunctional" is your claim which you have not demonstrated. You made the claim. Prove it. How can data published on September 28, 2015, just two days ago, and published by one of the premier technical device testing sites in the world possibly be out dated except in your delusional and irrationally biased Trolling mind?

There has only been one new Android phone announced since then, the Google Nexus, and it is no great shakes in either the speed or features departments. It uses an off the shelf Snapdragon 808 (which we've seen in the LG G4 previously) and 2GB of RAM — easily plenty of horsepower for anyone who doesn't want/need to live on the bleeding edge of phone performance. But Apple's A9 blows it out of the water! So where is the "already dated" data you are using to replace Anandtech's findings???? Admit it. You made that up! You are lying.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

On which Android devices can you start writing an email on your cell phone, move to a computer, edit the phrasing of your email, switch to a tablet, add a photograph, go back to your cell phone, take a photo and paste it into your email, and then seamlessly switch back to finish it all on the computer and send it off without moving it from the email program or saving it to drafts? Oh, you can't. . . thought not.

How about watching movie on your mobile walk through the front door, sit down in your easy chair and then switch on your TV and seamlessly continue playing the movie on your big screen TV without a bobble on another device? Oh, you can't. How about opening your computer and finish watching it there? Oh, same problem. You can't. . . because your Android devices are not integrated with your computer and your other devices anywhere nearly as well as everything is in the Apple ecosystem. At best you can kludge something similar, but it's a kludge.

Security? Don't make me laugh. Samsung claimed their encrypted Knox was impregnable but two weeks later it was learned all Android (including Knox) passcodes were kept in an UNENCRYPTED TEXT FILE in an easy to find library . . . hilarious!!!!

iOS devices are the only mobile devices that have not been cracked according to The Hacker Team, the company which SELLS the software to the NSA, FBI, CIA, Police departments around the world, and other government agencies to break into mobile phones. . . yet they DO have hacks to break into all other mobile devices, including Jail Broken iOS devices.

Yet YOU, in your arrogance claim Android devices are ahead of Apple. . . do tell us WHERE???? Malware? I'll give you that. Except for the recent Chinese App Store fiasco, where under 50 compromised apps were allowed to get on the App store because of the XcodeGhost scam, (and 4000 plus were sold through third-party app stores for jail-broken iOS devices) Android holds the record with over 3 million known malware in the wild.

Let's see. . . YOU are the one implying lack of maturity and sanity on the part of people who choose to use Apple products. . . YOU are therefor the one who has been slinging ad hominems in this thread. YOU therefore have earned the epithet of TROLL. . . because you are a TROLL.

49 posted on 09/30/2015 8:43:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)

You have yet to list a single function that Apple is leading on. You just keep yakkety yaking on performance, which is no big deal. Yes, I can operate my TV using my Android -- and have been able to do so for 2 years, but it is much easier to use the remote supplied by my TV provider. That is your example of leading edge?

You continue to evade the Apple Fan Boy phenomenon the OP and I discussed. You kids keep lining up at midnight for anything Apple! and New! Repeating yourself with capitals isn't argumentation -- it is just shouting.

50 posted on 10/01/2015 3:34:46 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

To: freedumb2003

He listed leading functionality numerous times.
Quit trolling.

51 posted on 10/01/2015 4:29:07 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)

>>He listed leading functionality numerous times.
Quit trolling.<<

He has listed TRAILING functionality numerous times.

And ignored the overall thesis completely.

Like you.

52 posted on 10/01/2015 7:00:57 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

To: freedumb2003

I’d say creating the first touchscreen-only phone, starting the whole modern smartphone industry, was indeed leading functionality.

53 posted on 10/01/2015 7:15:02 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)

To: freedumb2003

He has listed TRAILING functionality numerous times.

And ignored the overall thesis completely.

Like you.

You've listed NOTHING. . . despite numerous requests to put up or shut up, you provided no evidence of your premise except your bloviating opinion. REPEATEDLY! You haven't even posted a single one of the useless spec sheet inclusions of sensors no one uses such as atmospheric hygrometers, blood oximeters, fish finders, that some Android phones no doubt have. . . go ahead prove your contention. In fact the one thing you've claimed is that Android phones were less expensive than iPhones and faster, which I have completely rebutted with unimpeachable evidence, shooting your claim down in flames. . . and you have mistaken the evidence for MARKET FORCES, showing your abysmal ignorance of facts.

You don't even know you've long ago lost this argument.

54 posted on 10/01/2015 9:24:23 AM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)

No, the price/performance is a side issue which you then begged the question on (although I did grant you the iPhone was a little faster - I just said “so what?” and pointed out your chart was dated).

The thesis is fanboys lining up at midnight just because Apple said something is NEW!! You don’t see Galaxy, LG, etc. owners doing that. It is uniquely Apple fan boy behavior.

55 posted on 10/01/2015 9:48:36 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

To: ctdonath2; Swordmaker

>>I’d say creating the first touchscreen-only phone, starting the whole modern smartphone industry, was indeed leading functionality.
<<
On many of these threads I have stipulated that Apple USED to be a super innovator. The iPod, the iPhone — heck the Mac was amazing.

It that it is no longer a cutting-edge innovator but just another participant in the technology leapfrogging. Apple is no longer special, except to its fan base.

The point of the article and my posts — when not dragged down — is the behavior of that fan base.

This thread is Exhibit A. I could not have even pretended to act like you fan boys did for me.

For that I thank you.

56 posted on 10/01/2015 9:53:28 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

To: freedumb2003

Contrasting this is those obsessed with stalking the happy, spewing invective at every opportunity, insisting the happy be convinced they are somehow deranged and must express remorse for their errors.

Begone, troll. Consider the plank in your own eye.

57 posted on 10/01/2015 10:03:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)

>>Consider the plank in your own eye.<<

Exhibit B.

Thanks, again.

58 posted on 10/01/2015 10:07:18 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

To: ctdonath2; freedumb2003

We’re happy with the product line. Annoyed with experiences from many other vendors, it’s refreshing to receive high quality goods and services at a fair price - enough so many get giddy when something new is announced.

Contrasting this is those obsessed with stalking the happy, spewing invective at every opportunity, insisting the happy be convinced they are somehow deranged and must express remorse for their errors.

I think this diagnosis submitted for the upcoming IDC-10 revision, covers freedumb's psychosis:

Swordmaker's and Kathy's proposed diagnosis for the new IDC-10 addenda:

90210 iOS Munchausen's Apple-Plexy Syndrome (MAPS), The overwhelming compulsion to post negative, judgmental, aggressive, and false commentary on any website thread related to Apple products wherever found, including phobic reaction to projected Apple user euphoria. First and subsequent encounters.

59 posted on 10/01/2015 3:20:06 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)

AFBS: Apple Fan Boy Syndrome: The automatic sycophantic and orgasmic reaction to anything and everything released by Apple, irrespective of how badly trailing are the meaningful functions.

Identified by expensive purchases of devices that could be replaced by other devices at 1/2 the cost, extreme anger and angst at having their incorrect worldview challenged and slavish slobbering over mediocre products, up to and including standing in lines before midnight because the vendor gives the pavlovian control word of “NEW!”

Diagnosis: destined to be children forever.

Prognosis: extreme sadness and ridicule.

60 posted on 10/01/2015 3:55:19 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)

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