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Fear the Walking Dead Discussion Thread: Season 1 Episode 5 [SPOILER Warning]
N/A | September 27, 2015 | N/A

Posted on 09/27/2015 2:39:54 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction



TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: ftwd; twd
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To: moovova; ConjunctionJunction
"Nick just got back in the game."

Sounding good...

We didn't watch it tonight; will watch tomorrow. Right now we're just all about "The Strain", which has its season finale next week. Between it and FTWD, "The Strain" takes precedence.

81 posted on 09/27/2015 8:50:05 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

It is starting......DO NOT BOTHER PATRIOT BABE =)


82 posted on 09/27/2015 8:56:31 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

ROFL ROFL


83 posted on 09/27/2015 10:35:07 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: ConjunctionJunction

So what was tonight lesson:

1) Do not kidnap and torture your potential future son-in-law.

2) Do not begin to have romantic thoughts about your future step brother or sister.

3) Soldiers should never hand over any weapon to a person who is against guns.

4) Just because your neighbor may have turned does not give you the right to destroy their home.

I wonder when that man gave Nick the key. That key will be the beginning of a herd of zombies walking in to an all you can eat buffet.


84 posted on 09/27/2015 10:43:26 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: fr_freak

I recall that Hershel, who’s farm it was and made the rule, who didn’t get what was really going on, was proven wrong too...


85 posted on 09/27/2015 11:40:16 PM PDT by vpintheak (Man up and bring it politicians!)
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To: fr_freak

i am sure you are correct on how people react. the issue for tv series, movies etc. is they have to try to increase the tension. everyone knows you dont go down into the basement, but hey that would be kinda boring would it not? they want the audience mentally screaming, what the hell are you doing? its a tv/movie trick to engage you in a WTF moment.

as for the anti gun message i have to disagree. im a long time zombie fanatica as is my missus (you are reading a post by someone who watched nazi zombies at the centre of the earth LOL, and before you ask, no its not good). I am not trying to insult your intelligence, but in the ‘zombie’ universe, there are some rules. one of them is that no matter what you think, guns matter but they are a double edged sword. they ‘sort out’ the current threat but act as a beacon to other zombies, along with bright lights (something the FTWD enclave is sure to learn soon). also no ammuniton is being made and as a result there is simply not enough bullets to sort out the zombie plague. so sparingly use your weapons until you have no choice and where possible use melee weapons due to the lack of noise. also you constantly hunt for 4 things 1. food, 2. weapons, ammunition, 3. a safe place 4.threats. that order changes depending on the availability of other ‘things’.

i honestly dont see the anti gun message you mentioned, and before you ask, i always watch for them (its a real pet hate of mine coming from a country that has all but banned them) in fact if anything there is a completely different message that forces people to accept them for what they are, a vital tool. In the TWD universe there is a fairly constant message: anyone trying to take away your weapons has alterior motives, see ‘the govenor’. the govenor was banning weapons in the town he ran (that is a clear message security for freedom and it showed a lot of people will accept that) and the result of that is it never ever ends well. Dale the anti gun liberal guy (as mentioned) was eaten and badly. Herschel let people stay on his farm (his property his rules) and wanted the guns secured and was shown the error in that thinking. the armed groups Herschel and Rick met also showed that the real threat is other people and if you dont defend yourself no one will. you have also seen anyone who wont deal with a threat it comes back to bite them in the ass. the group who resorted to cannibalism also learned the weapons message as did Rick when he killed the leader with a blade and the comment ‘dont want to waste bullets’. the clear message of TWD is its better to have and not use then to need and not have.
The current message in FTWD (remember this is merely weeks into the disaster) is that even saviours (i.e. the troops) are in a position of power with weapons, especially when you are unarmed. Also the clear message is you are very vulnerable to loosing your freedom and life if you choose to ignore weapons and personal defense.
the truly sad part of all the TWD is the search for a real sanctuary. they want life as it was, but that is not possible its an illusion. There is no place safe. its an obvious message to the current world. just becasue you think its safe, doesnt mean it is, because below the surface of civility, people will resort to a hammer (see the wife in the FTWD episode with the neighbour) if necessary.

In TWD the only people who have survived are ones that have accepted that he who is not armed is doomed. the constant beat of TWD is a search for weapons and ammunition. Rick drove through 30-50 miles of zombie infestation leaving a hiker to die to pick them up. There is a constant search for ammunition shown and more often implied (counting rounds, counting magazines etc etc). In the last series of TWD Rick even hides a gun as he knows the new town he will reside in will no doubt lock their weapons up. You also see Carol stealing them from the lockers. Again this is a clear message of what is going to happen to this town, its doomed. Ask any TWDer (and i suspect yourself from what you have posted) what will happen here and you will hear disaster. The clear message of TWD is you are ultimately going to survive as part of a group that defends itself but also you have to be aware that at some point you are on your own. it also shows dictaroship doesnt work (see ricks time and the govenor). the peace they had in the prison was with an elected council and everyone armed...all the time. if you are on your own with no weapon, you are not long before you are walker food. the most recent example is the ‘red shirt’ guy who was killed by ‘the wolves’.
Imagine (so basically ignore 80% of your brain) you are a anti gunner, lefty watching this series. it must be a nightmare of freddy krueger proportions for them. the mental gymastics for those people is enormous. I can only ask you to trust me on this as i work with some who ‘were’ anti gun (totally and completely) until this series. it has forced them to accept some uncomfortable truths. their arguement that its just a tv series is answered by me...is it? what if you are in your house and a ‘zombie’ is breaking in and doesnt care if you are there or not, who knows the police are 30 minutes away...what do you do? its forcing people to ask themselves tough questions and i think you might be surprised by the lefty answers in some cases— of course not all, see about loosing 80% of your brain and they are leftys after all!
so is it real, nope, is it as pro gun as it should be, probably not but its just a tv series and you and I can exercise our rights not to watch it and see in all its glory, true market forces at work. no one watching will kill this series. if they were to dump weapons in TWD the believability factor would collaspe as would the series.

in FTWD you have the early stages of the disaster. I think it is showing 2 things. You can dislike guns all you like (see Travis’ comment) or you can adapt like the barber, ‘a gun doesnt care if you like it or not’ and his views that the military wont be able to stem the tide. It clearly shows, if you dont have a weapon, you are in serious trouble. the second issue is civilisation, more on this below.
the TWD franchise is in a unique place in TV. They are showing at the most basic level what people good and bad will do to survive, and the answer is in, they will do anything. they will murder, rape, even eat people to survive and you (i.e. normal people) as best represented by Rick in TWD will bite the neck out of an assailant if your family is threatened. What we will see (at least i hope we willsee) in FTWD is the transformation of a classic liberal, green, modern multi parent west coat family realise that they too will have to learn what the world is...not what they want it to be. I realise you might not like it (LOL fairly sure you dont judging by your posts) but it does show how quickly ‘civilisation’ will collaspe. its forcing one question on everyone: how can civillisation collapse so fast — unless it wasnt as civil as you were lead to believe. thats the message...and the next one is : now that you and yours are on their own, how far are you prepared to go to defend them and yorself. you will see this answered with Travis (the anti gun guy), he has 2 choices: get eaten or fight back, i guess we will see the answer to that particular gun question by next week.

Anyways just MHO and thanks for the red flag on weapons, its good (and i am not trying to me smart or smarmy) to have it questioned...and regularly...


86 posted on 09/28/2015 3:36:05 AM PDT by Irishguy
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

The house trashing scene was better when they did it in Zombieland...

“Enjoy the little things”


87 posted on 09/28/2015 4:23:00 AM PDT by LadyBuck (Yippie-Ki-Yay)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

It is as if they aren’t allowed to show a strong, decent, moral white guy.
Weakling white husband, evil white military officer, brief image of white man in suit coming home to Asian zombie wife who bites him.


88 posted on 09/28/2015 5:11:42 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: cripplecreek

What does he expect Nick to do? Run errands in the zombie apocalypse in return for drugs he has? Or help Nick get stuff in return for knowing where all the drug dealer homes with guns and safe places the homeless sleep in?


89 posted on 09/28/2015 5:13:55 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Patriot Babe

I was looking at it as a stupid waste of materials. You’re already living off government rations.
And no one is looting the home for canned goods to put in their own house, water bottles to stock up on, essentials.
Kids breaking dishes, out of boredom, I understand, but you shouldn’t do that until you’ve made sure you’ve got everything valuable out of the house first.


90 posted on 09/28/2015 5:17:32 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Took a while to get ‘there’ but I think this show is starting to come into its own now. Enjoyed this episode much more than any of the others. I still don’t think they properly explained how the ‘virus’ really got started or where it came from. Maybe that has never been the intent or they will go more in depth later?


91 posted on 09/28/2015 5:38:14 AM PDT by Envisioning (4.13.15 - That awkward moment in history when 53 million racists became sexists...)
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To: dynachrome

“Nice. Hispanic guy has it down.”

“Yikes. Army guy not doing so well. “cobalt” “
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You know what the Hispanic guy’s gonna do don’t you? Preview of next week showed him standing in front of the stadium doors...with 2000 hungry “dead” pounding at the doors to get out. That’s the only “weapon” the civilians have to defend themselves from the NG “cobalt” action that is scheduled to take place at 0900 the next day.

The old man is about to give the NG a “cobalt” they never expected.


92 posted on 09/28/2015 6:02:12 AM PDT by moovova
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To: tbw2

“It is as if they aren’t allowed to show a strong, decent, moral white guy. Weakling white husband, evil white military officer, brief image of white man in suit coming home to Asian zombie wife who bites him.”

The only problem with what you are saying is that the weakling husband is hispanic and the guy in the suit was Asian.

I am about done with this series. I really dislike ALL of the main characters and the portayal of the military as a bunch of lying, unprofessional, murderous sc*mbags is typical leftist propaganda. I may watch the finale but if it is more of the same I wont bother when and if there is another season.


93 posted on 09/28/2015 6:36:27 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: discostu; fr_freak
The writing has been strained I see no pro gun message. In fact, at times I see a pro gun message and a disdain for characters who don't use them in the face of a new situation. Yes, it maybe OK to be against guns when the world was without zombies but if you stick to that thinking you will be eaten alive. That is the show's ultimate message ("the gun does not care what you think"). Change your thinking with as the situation changes.

The dad is called weak for not knowing this.

94 posted on 09/28/2015 7:30:32 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: cripplecreek

The barber was a School Of the America’s graduate?


95 posted on 09/28/2015 7:31:54 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator; discostu; fr_freak
What I meant before is: that while the writing has been strained I don't see an anti-gun message. (corrected that from my earlier post).

In fact, at times I see a pro gun message and a disdain for characters who don't use them in the face of a new situation. Yes, it maybe OK to be against guns when the world was without zombies but if you stick to that thinking you will be eaten alive. That is the show's ultimate message ("the gun does not care what you think"). Change your thinking with as the situation changes. The dad is called weak for not knowing this.

96 posted on 09/28/2015 7:33:40 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
The husband is Samoan not hispanic. The America military is never portrayed well in zombie fiction. It is part of zombie fiction trope that the military has no clue how to deal with the threat and makes it worse.

Have you ever watched any zombie fiction before?

Also, conservatives state that govt is the problem not the solution unless it is the govt run military? I don't see an anti-conservative message at all.

That does not mean the writing is any good and I don't like any of the characters much at all but I don't detect a political bent.

97 posted on 09/28/2015 7:38:20 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
I think these two zombie series suffer from the following:

A) Short seasons: This means they rush stuff along. In last night's episode it is revealed by the commander that now they know the dead rise and eat the living. That is an awesome revelation but the "money shot" such a revelation has is wasted.

Contrast to the movie "Night Of The Living Dead" which Kirkman says "The Walking Dead" is a sequel of (movie is in the public domain so it's OK). They had a reporter on the TV advise people what was happening and how to stop the dead. We lose that powerful impact here. This is day 10 from when the National Guard showed up and walled off the community so it's relatively a fresh outbreak so we should be seeing the collapse happen but we don't really.

Which brings me to the second handicap of this show:

B) Low budgets: While The Walking Dead is a money making machine for licensing the TV show has a limited budget. So they either get to be innovative in showing the collapse of the world with a limited budget (like the first Night Of The Living Dead did) or be dull and show no zombies. They choose to be dull and show no zombies.

And lastly, reason C) This show has poor writers. I can't help but think limited budget means you don't get the A-List writers of end time survival and horror fiction in Hollywood. To me the writers of these shows seem to come from Soap Opera staff.

I only watch this because I am a sucker for 'end time' scenarios and zombies.

98 posted on 09/28/2015 7:48:41 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Vermont Lt; Twink; Secret Agent Man; tophat9000
Honestly, I don’t think you are supposed to like them yet

Then they killed it again last night!

;)



(Hi Twink!)

99 posted on 09/28/2015 7:52:25 AM PDT by Eaker (You are really amazing Eaker. - Swordmaker 02/14/15)
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To: Envisioning

I don’t think Robert Kirkman plans to explain exactly how the virus started or where it came from. His interest is examining the collapse of civilization and the attempts to rebuild it.


100 posted on 09/28/2015 7:54:31 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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