Posted on 09/27/2015 2:39:54 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
Yes, if you pay attention, Alicia says, "These people were living the life we should have had." So there is definitely an attitude of self-entitlement and envy at work in their demolition of that house.
I did think they did a much better job last night.
I guess torture works.
I gotta tell you...in that situation I don’t think they would have needed a straight razor to get me to spill the beans. Pretty much, its clear that everyone is screwed.
And how many of you would have been satisfied speaking to an LT? Since when do they know what they are talking about. Pun intended.
I’ll take anything I can get, LOL.
I’m going to wait for TWD. I can’t get into this one.
If I hadn’t been spoiled with TWD, I’d probably continue watching it.
Ha! I understand that.
It won’t be long now...less than two weeks. :)
I watched John Wayne’s “Chisum” last night. LOL
Yep, it won’t be long for TWD to be on. I think the first is going to be 90 minutes. :)
Did you see that abandoned MRAP(or whatever) when they arrived at the library firefight?
Yep, another useful too.
It's like that episode of Star Trek, the original series, when Spock and the shuttle were stranded on that planet with giant ape men. You had a hot head question Spock's decisions and they argued back and forth but in the end we figured out Spock was correct but he had his failings. If that makes sense. I know I just used old Star Trek to describe Fear The Walking Dead.
Bring it!
Yep...scavengers paradise. I was surprised that the crew he was with didn’t leave him a weapon when they bugged out to San Diego, especially since they were going to drop him off a couple blocks from the compound.
Makes sense, you’re right on track. You present both sides of the discussion, both to build drama (the most basic drama in the world is “who is right”) and to engage your audience. There is a mathematical certainty that some in the audience are anti-gun, if you skip past the whole gun issue not only are you loosing your story grounding but you risk that audience deciding the show is just pro-gun propaganda. So you have the discussion, you say yes there are two sides of the argument, in a civilized world, which our fictional world isn’t anymore, and people without guns die in our fictional world.
And it’s also responsive to their own world. Notice in TWD after the trained people up so everybody was qualified to carry guns it didn’t come up again until Alexandria. And there the fact that they kept control of the guns was part of the proof that these people had not fully grasped the reality out there. Those walls they built had granted them the freedom to have picnics and still be bad shots. It wasn’t even a discussion at that point, just evidence.
Of course in Fear we’ve wound the clock back. I think people have forgotten just how incompetent our heroes were in TWD. And the Fear cast is earlier in the journey than when we found the campsite. They still think this is going to be a temporary thing and any day now order will be restored and they’ll get to go back about their lives and mark these days with some sort of memorial downtown in a decade. So they still have their old values and old brains, which includes for many people not liking guns. Assuming they don’t die they’ll learn, just like our TWD heroes did.
I think that is the target of the scorn in Fear The Walking Dead. They are supporting real world pragmatism and attacking the hippie do gooder mentality. I don't think they are trying to be pro conservative or anti-liberal but liberals tend to be dogooders and stupid and conservatives are realists that is why it seems to be a pro conservative message show.
The people were all told to stay indoors. Indoors you have people who are bitten or die of natural causes turn to zombies kill the rest. People who run into the street to avoid zombies are killed by the soldiers.
In any case, millions of zombies are inside their apartments or homes or shelters locked up. If the army starts to blow up the city then zombies in their millions will flow out into the streets because fire or artillery break open walls and windows, etc.
I still don't get why some areas were protected like the suburban area shown where our protagonists live - maybe the govt did not have the manpower to save everyone in the inner city or business districts? - just areas where maybe the politically important people live like in suburbia?
In that case many soldiers would see this and if they were from areas abandoned then they would not be so motivated to follow orders. I think the commanding officer was fragged by his own troops in that building.
There are definite issues. I think it was a mistake to not give us a solid POV character, I know we’re familiar with the world so we don’t need the education, but it’s still generally good to have a character that things revolve around. So far the closest they have is the junky but that’s only because junkies are so needy, it show needs a central actor that’s driving the group. I’m also not so sure about winding back to the beginning, it’s kind of cool to see LA collapsing, but the characters are so ignorant, and anyway we’ve been watching the same thing happening in NYC in The Strain. If they were going to go in any direction in time I’d have followed the proper Romero and jumped forward, join a group of survivors that are 10 years into it, that have resettled a piece of land, established trade with other towns, maybe even 15 years and jump past where the comics are. Maybe go flashback style to get their LA collapse stories if you really want to show that, but don’t mire the show with characters that are perpetually 5 years stupider than their counterparts.
So it certainly has it’s problem. But anti-gun message would not be on that list, it’s just not there.
That's a big one. The POV is supposed to be from a group view. I rather it have been an divorced mom raising 2 teenage kids will working as a nurse. She notices stuff happening before hand and turns into the mom from Terminator to defend her kids or maybe worse and her kids turn on her?. That is a simple kind of POV that would help us feel involved. Right now I just want to see zombies eat people and could care less who they eat.
Remember that in this world everybody is infected, everybody who dies will rise. This causes the zombie curve to be exponential. Not only does anybody locked in with a zombie turn, anybody with any issues turns. Ran out of medicine? Injured yourself? Out of food? Depressed? Couldn’t handle the heat when the electricity went out? There’s lots of ways to die.
As for the areas probably a lot of things play into it. Our suburb seems to be on a hill which makes it more defensible, it’s probably a “good” distance (close enough for the military to get back and forth, too far for the civilians to join forces) from some other settled area. Not too densely populated to control/ feed/ kill the zombies. Maybe a city council member lives there. And yes there’s always going to be people who say “what about my neighborhood” and stop following orders.
Z Nation is killing that even though it has that B movie flavor.
I still don't get why there are no other copy cat shows of zombies. We have dozens of crime shows or doctor romance shows - one is a hit a dozen copies follow - some even better than the first hit series (CSI surpassed Law and Order).
George Romero would love to lend his name to a series and get some royalties. HBO or starz or Showtime could go where a basic cable TV show can't with violence and sex. I bet the licensing rights to Dawn Of the Dead by Romero and his other Day Of the Dead are in litigation hell.
It’s a hard field to mine. Production is pretty expensive, and you need a story that lasts more than 1 1/2 hours. We’re getting some though, Z Nation going for the cheap exploitation version is doing well. Strain, while technically vampires, is basically running the same story (based on a series of books by Guillermo Del Toro, which themselves were based on a treatment he shopped around trying to get a TV or movie series). iZombie based (very loosely) on the excellent comic series is doing a good with the spoofy fun zombie story.
It would be cool if they hooked up with George. I liked what he was doing with his last 2 zombie movies (Diary and Survival), even if they were super great (especially Survival) I liked how they touched on each other in their separate paths. I’d like to see somebody take that idea and merge it with American Horror Story, so every season is a completely different group and story, though it tags up just a touch on last season. It’s all about the shopping though, somebody needs to have the idea, then sell it, then keep it sold long enough to make it.
I just assumed TV and cable would produce alternate apocalyptic zombie shows. 'Night Of the Living Dead' zombies are public domain (Romero forgot to include the copyright symbol and unfairly lost out of the copyright or something stupid like that).
Romero said it was a twin edged sword kind of thing - not having the copyright made his zombie vision super popular because grindhouse theaters played it non stop because there were no royalties and same goes for local TV stations. And it would never have been as popular otherwise.
I think Romero probably sold the rights for the remake to Dawn Of The Dead (the first appearance of running zombies).
Remember Savini remade Night (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Living_Dead_%281990_film%29) to sort of fix the copyright problem. So while the original movie is still public domain the basic story is not anymore.
The hard part of doing it for TV is trying not to be the same story every week. It can’t be like a cop show and just cycle through the same basic story 22 times a year. We get that enough with the cheap movies, people won’t tune into it over and over. Now there are a few book series that can be used as starting points, partly because they’ve established a story that works for over 1000 pages. Mark Tufo’s Zombie Fallout series has great humor (think All in the Family and zombies) and just keeps growing, Mira Grant’s Feed series is brilliant, ZA Recht’s was brilliant all the way up until he died and a drastically less talented guy finished it, I hear very good things about Bourne’s Day by Day series. That’s where I’d go, proven long form zombie stories that dig into the world and evolve it and aren’t just “another day another headshot”.
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