[BroJoeK]

Mollypitcher1: "Some southern states had the RIGHT to leave the union, guaranteed at the time of agreeing to the Constitution.
They hadRESERVED their RIGHT to leave the union which was ignored by Lincoln."

Both Democrat President Buchanan and Republican President Lincoln expressed their views that secession "at pleasure" was not constitutional or lawful.
But neither president took military steps to end secession or the Confederacy until after the Confederacy first provoked, then started and formally declared war on the United States, sending military aid to pro-Confederates in Union Missouri.

So, their "right to secede" is one thing, their "right" to start & declare war on the United States is something else entirely, FRiend.

[Mollypitcher1]

Both Democrat President Buchanan and Republican President Lincoln expressed THEIR VIEWS that secession “at pleasure” was not constitutional or lawful.

THEIR VIEWS is a poor defense for preventing states to do what those state had the rightful and legal guarantee to do.

Lincoln destroyed states rights and little to nothing remains of the once great protection of the Constitution.

[Mollypitcher1]

Both Democrat President Buchanan and Republican President Lincoln expressed THEIR VIEWS that secession “at pleasure” was not constitutional or lawful.

THEIR VIEWS is a poor defense for preventing states to do what those state had the rightful and legal guarantee to do.

Lincoln destroyed states rights and little to nothing remains of the once great protection of the Constitution.