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To: AndyTheBear
Quantum mechanics isn't an "out" for a deterministic world.

If the choice is between being a robot and making decisions purely by random chance, then I don't think that's much of a choice.

43 posted on 07/18/2015 5:37:17 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
If the choice is between being a robot and making decisions purely by random chance, then I don't think that's much of a choice.

Well your robot option is what I would call determinism.

Having purely mechanical non-mental processes subjected to purely random chance is a counter example to what I call determinism.

Free will exercised by some agent (like a soul) would be another counter example, although its is not demonstrated by the like of the double slit experiment. But it is demonstrated every day by what it is like to be human.

Arguing against this experience of free will as a merely subjective thing, by assuming from one's subjective intuition that the material world is deterministic, then having this shown to be wrong by scientific discovery, and yet still clinging to parts of this subjective guess to try to invalidate the more powerful direct subjective experience of making choices, is silly and unreasonable.

46 posted on 07/18/2015 10:57:54 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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