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To: Swordmaker

Cross platform consultant. To Apple? With Apple equipment? Depends upon Apple for your livelihood?

I’ve had friends and family work for Apple when Jobs was in charge. One left working there now that they other guy is in charge.

The stories about the place are true. 90 hour T-shirts. Coders being berated by Jobs for falling asleep at their desks.

I think the CWI stories are true too. Children are easier to train, and much easier to scare. Children in China work from an early age because their parents tell them to.

If Apple isn’t evil, it’s not far from it.


30 posted on 07/13/2015 9:20:12 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
Cross platform consultant. To Apple? With Apple equipment? Depends upon Apple for your livelihood?

WOW! You have trouble reading? Cross platform means exactly what I wrote. Apple OS X is a platform. Microsoft Windows is a platform. Microsoft DOS is a platform. Apple iOS is a platforml Google Android is a platform. Linux is a Platform. Unix is a platform. THEOS is a Platform. There are many platforms. I've supported all of them for clients and am familiar with them all. My business consult me on all of them. I make one hell of a lot more money off of Windows using clients than I do off of Apple OS X using clients, mostly because they have a hell of a lot more problems. . . SHEESH!

However, I am not dependent on any of them for my livelihood. It keeps me busy in semiretirement.

You anti-Apple people keep trying to prove that I am lying because I have some type of connection to Apple. I am interested in the truth. . . so I provide it. I have told you that I maintain the Apple Ping list on FreeRepublic, that is all. The members expect the facts, not myths that FUD peddlers keep bringing up.

I think the CWI stories are true too.

My thesaurus says that a synonym of "stories" is "anecdotes". The same thing you offer about Apple and Steve Jobs. The plural of anecdotes does not equal data, Rina. I provided data with links to the authoritative source.

As I said, you want to believe. . . and what you want to believe has been provided by an agenda driven left wing organization that YOU claimed was "based in China"—which is part of their propaganda—that I showed you, again with facts—was actually based in New York. You prefer their propaganda anecdotes over the data provided by independent, real labor organizations that are really world wide, and not agenda driven. YOU are the true believer in myths, not I, because those myths provide you with confirmation of your bias.

Children are easier to train? BS, Rina. You just claimed they got minimal training.

I provided you with the facts which are easy to check and you prefer to believe your myths. . . and extremely low aberrational numbers of juvenile employment as though they were the normal operations. YOU are delusional.

China has a national interest in an educated workforce just like the US has. . . and wants its young people in school, not on assembly lines. They have a surplus of adults to work on assembly lines, and have strong labor laws against it. I have shown you that Apple has placed STRONG economic dis-incentives for hiring underage workers. So why do you keep harping on ridiculous falsehood?

Here is a partial list of the top 52 of FoxConn's over 500 consumer electronics manufacturer customers I've been able to compile from news articles where their contractural relationships were mentioned over the past seven years, which include the period when the suicides and your claimed underage employment occurred:

If Apple is so evil what are these companies? I am wiling to bet that a lot of your electronics are made by companies on that list. . . including your cell phone, your computer, your TV, radio, routers, etc. Apple is the only one of these that is putting it's own company paid independent monitors into the its supply chain to assure compliance with the required worker treatment and actively seeking violations of the contract. All of these others join labor organizations in other countries and give themselves pats on the back claiming they did something about it. As I said, you are delusional to claim that Apple is evil based on a left wing agenda driven organization's propaganda.

Again, Rina, I presented facts, with links in the previous post that have actual data, not innuendo and unsupported claims from anecdotes.

Read the actual statements in the second article above from workers who were not pressured to say anything by an agenda driven organization who selected the answers they wanted to publish, but were from random workers just chatting with a guy who worked across the street from the plant for the real truth.

There are more articles in the same vein. . . and many more investigative studies that debunk China Labor Watch's false narratives and Michael Daisey's long discredited and documented lies mostly provided by China Labor Watch.

China Labor Watch attacks Apple and FoxConn with their claims of misbehavior for the same reason that Greenpeace and other environmental groups attacked Apple with claims of misbehavior, even though Apple has done far more in the GREEN and environmental area than other electronic firms. . . because they get far more attention by picking on Apple.

Putting Apple in the headline garners more page views and more Internet clicks. It gets attention for their "causes".

By the way, those 90 hour T-shirts at Apple were worn with pride by people who won them for putting in the effort to get a project out on time. . . not "slave" labor.

31 posted on 07/13/2015 10:57:51 AM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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