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To: RinaseaofDs; mad_as_he$$; IncPen; amigatec
China Labor Watch has been shown to have faked videos of FoxConn, using videos taken at other companies, claiming they were at FoxConn. They have been shown to have shown to have faked interviews with supposed FoxConn employees, who turned out to be China Labor Watch ringers. China Labor Watch was the organization that assisted Michael Daisey in making his "documentary," The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs, that wound up being pulled from NPR for misrepresentation of interviews that turned out to include numerous mis-translations made by China Labor Watch, that when re-translated by other Chinese speakers, showed that China Labor Watch lied about what the workers actually said. . . and that in reality the actual answer was often the exact opposite of China Labor Watch's translation.

Many of your claims from China Labor Watch do not even apply to the Apple Assembly Lines.

Sorry, China Labor Watch is just not credible, and they did it to themselves.

Finally, on this issue, China Labor Watch is not based in China. Wikipedia — "China Labor Watch (CLW) is a New York City, New York-based non-government organization" Catch you in one lie, nothing you or they say is credible from then on.

The report that mad_as_he$$ linked reported that yearly audits performed by a legitimate labor organization found only 349 underage workers among 1.5 million workers in Apple's contractors in 11 countries over a period of seven years. Those are workers from 16 to 18 years of age. They found no one younger and all of those they found were using faked IDs or borrowed IDs from relatives. When they were found, they were all offered full ride scholarships to age 25 with continuing pay for living expenses, as required by Apple's contract. . . at the expense of the contractor. The purpose is to discourage deliberate hiring of underage workers.

There is no incentive to hire underage workers because there are literally thousands of adult workers vying for positions for jobs working in Apple lines for every opening. You can find numerous reports of the lines when openings occur. . . and the pay is the same regardless of the age of the workers. You have a logical failure if you think that any of these companies would take a chance on hiring underage workers deliberately to save money. . . because there are no savings to be made. . . or any need to do so.

The only ones who have any motive to seek jobs at these factories are the underage workers themselves. . . and the do what underage workers do everywhere in the world to get the jobs: they cheat, they lie, and the forge documents to get the jobs.

Do you seriously think that there's a conspiracy by Apple to hire 0.0000023% of 1.5 million workers? Or that you can seriously say that Apple's products are manufactured by child labor with that percentage of workers? If so, you are really completely delusional.

Only Apple is monitoring the conditions on their assembly lines seriously. . . and you choose to attack Apple. Here is a partial list of 52 of the over 500 Consumer Electronic companies that contract with FoxConn for their work. . .

Now, why do you only blame Apple for all of this labor problem? Are your electronics as clean as Apple is trying to be? Frankly not one of them is even trying as Apple is. They join organizations to give them selves lip cover. Only Apple is attempting to directly do anything about it.

You guys will stop at nothing, will you? Now you enjoy as well, Rina.

24 posted on 07/12/2015 1:26:21 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Do you work for Apple?


27 posted on 07/12/2015 6:10:57 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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