Red Cloud is the only military leader to force the US government to sue for peace.
Posted on 07/08/2015 6:41:27 AM PDT by C19fan
Red Cloud is the only military leader to force the US government to sue for peace.
Red Cloud is the only military leader to force the US government to sue for peace.
What about chief Oseola (Seminoles)? The U.S. govt. sued for a peace treaty (still in effect).
Maybe I missed something?
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Honestly, it’s all relative. Imagine what even the most rudimentary modern army could do to the Mongols or even Napoleon’s army of their day.
Not my take on Osceola. He was in custody before the hostilities ended, and that only took place after the government got tired of pumping money and troops into Florida and the Seminoles basically agreed to stick to the Everglades. The government never sued for peace.
You're right. I forgot, there still is a state of war that exists.
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There is no state of war between the US and the Seminoles.
Technically there is. There is no peace treaty between the U.S. govt and the Seminole tribe.
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As the historian Andrew Roberts has observed, “soldier for soldier the German fighting man and his generals outperformed Britons, Americans and Russians both offensively and defensively by a significant factor virtually throughout the Second World War.”
We won, they lost.
There have been a number of treaties between both the Florida and Oklahoma Seminoles. There was no treaty between the die-hard tribal members that ran off into the swamps because it was just too much trouble and expense to round them up - hence, the Seminole contention that they were unconquered. The fact remains that as a federally recognized tribe, i.e., “Indian Entities Recognized and Eligible to Receive Services from the United States Bureau of Indian Affairs”, they have clearly surrendered.
There have been a number of treaties between both the Florida...
No peace treaty. Find it if you can (don't waste your time).
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Come on down to FL. We will take it up with the Osceola brothers that I know.
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Whatever. Back to my original point, Red Cloud remains the only military leader whom the US government sued for peace.
These armies are fine, but victory really comes from better ideas. And from hashtags.
Lord Liverpool? War of 1812.
Tell it to Crassus, Valerian, and Julian the Apostate.
Also snubbed the Egyptian Army which held on more or less against all comers for several thousand years ...
The wastage rate in the Red Army was astronomical. They lost a million men taking Berlin
In their prime, though, the Roman Army was unequaled. I remember as a kid reading about Hannibal’s great campaigns. I thought he was the greatest general of ancient times. He may have been, but what impresses me now is how the Romans stayed the course after suffering the loss of several complete armies and crushed Hannibal and Carthage. Also, the campaign against the Jews was impressive. They were fighting a foe that fought to the last man, but the Romans ground them down. That’s how I think of the Roman Military Machine at its height - like a huge grinder that nothing could escape.
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