Posted on 06/16/2015 4:40:51 AM PDT by don-o
Kenneth Carlisle is among the 30 San Antonio area men arrested in connection with the Waco biker shootout.
Since that shootout, Lindsay Carlisle has been fighting to prove her husband wasn't involved.
"This is has been beyond difficult. The worst nightmare of my entire life."
Lindsay Carlisle is trying to hold it together for her family. She's paying all of the bills, while her husband Kenneth sits in the McClennan County Jail on a one million dollar bond.
"What happened to be innocent until proven guilty? In this case that's not what's happening."
It's been just more than a week since the biker brawl and shootout at Twin Peaks in Waco.
9-people died, 18-were injured, and 170-people were arrested; including Kenneth Carlisle.
Lindsay says he drove her car and had just arrived.
She says he never made it past the parking lot.
"He wasn't wearing any vests, no colors, no bike, was in a vehicle and was in the wrong place, wrong time."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxsanantonio.com ...
Maybe the WPD was sitting in their cars but the snipers were on the Don Carlos roof weren't. These are McLennan Co. Sheriff dudes who aren't dressed for a Sunday afternoon stroll in the park. Then there are the plain clothed guys and who knows what other agencies were NOT sitting in their cars. And that's no car.
ROFL!!!
Do try to refrain from personal insults ... it only detracts from whatever point it is that you're trying to make.
I don't trust Big Media. They have earned my distrust.
I don't trust Big Government, either. They, too, have earned my distrust. They continue to earn my distrust as they stonewall, spin, and dissemble.
YMMV.
Video would prove where he was but don’t hold your breath on the cops releasing that.
“The governor has nothing to say?”
Maybe the Governor is looking for guideance in his copy of The Turner Diaries. However, I sincerely doubt it.
Have you familiarized yourself with the information that IS available?
You are the one who denigrated my concern over civil rights violations and then posted to me about who shot whom. That is why I asked you to focus on MY comments when posting to me.
EVERY accused person has some degree of "flight risk". That, in itself, is not a good reason to post a bail amount that cannot be met.
Especially for people whom the arresting officers cannot show probable cause as being involved in any shooting.
A rational approach might have been to tell the prosecutors "I'll hold them for three days, long enough for the bullets to be taken from the bodies and ballistic tests run to compare with any guns the suspects were found with. Then I'm going to release anybody you do not show me probable cause for".
Sorry, no intention here to denigrate your concerns.
At this point, it’s not possible to determine how reliable the information really is. Some of its validity seems obvious while a whole lot of it seems to be a carrying through of speculation into wild assumptions being made. Just like “Hand up, don’t shoot!” and that got pretty damned ugly in a hurry.
Which was fueled by the media and burned white hot for days and days. Compare that to the almost total disinterest in Waco from the same. There ARE basic facts about the aftermath that can be known. 174 arrested and held under $1,000,000 bond from identical affidavits. 115 of those had no convictions in the State of Texas.
Not a single charge besides violating the organized crime statute (post 32).
Not a single cell phone video has emerged. Police collected all of them. Police are fighting media requests (Yahoo News) for normal release of information.
The weapons have been sent to Washington (Quantico?). Texas has 13 crime labs. Why could they not handle their own business?
Quite obviously, the cops have forfeited all credibility in this. Vaquero, there were SIX marked police cars IN PLAIN SIGHT, "visible to anyone entering Twin Peaks parking," according to the cops themselves.
SIX COP CARS in plain sight, right there, in the middle of a very busy shopping/dining area at Sunday brunch hour with God only knows how many cameras, cell phones, and witnesses. And we're supposed to believe that some bad-ass bikers of competing clubs came prepared and armed to rumble over territory in this environment???? Really???
Bad-ass bikers are by definition dumb-ass bikers, who are even dumber-ass when they run in packs. But even at that, they're not THAT stupid. In any case, such bad-ass hard-core heavies would only be a very small handful in a gathering like this one was, a totally open, announced-with-fliers, publicized open meeting to clubs and independent riders to discuss legislation of the kind of meeting that had been going on regularly for some 20 years. NOT the "meeting of gangsters to discuss territory in a biker dive" as the MSM is DELIBERATEY misleading Americans into thinking.
This could happen just like this at one of our Cowboy single action events -- and those of us in the club know perfectly well what kind of club we're in -- but the rest of America would believe every single word that was printed about we Cowboy SASers. If the MSM and law enforcement told America that we were really just a cover for a bunch of nutty revolutionaries, they'd believe it even when it was dead obvious, as it is with this Waco thing, that it was a set-up and blatant abuse of power. Many people, including many stalwart FReeper patriots, have allowed themselves (they are responsible) to be duped.
That's why this Waco thing is the most important domestic story today, WAY more important than the bread-and-circus freakazoid parade of white women pretending to be black and pitiful men pretending to be women. But this Waco thing is being ignored by ALL mainstream outlets and most conservative ones, as well, although the very fact that only a third of the "hardened bikers" arrested even had the slightest criminal histories.
IT IS BOGUS and it is obvious that it is bogus. Criminals, especially bad-ass criminal bikers, have criminal records. Two thirds of the people arrested and held on million dollar bail had ZIP record. At best, this means that Texas law enforcement is the most hapless bunch of clowns on the planet, to have such a fail rate either way -- arresting so many innocents OR not having been able to catch fully two-thirds of criminal bikers even when they do their dirty deeds under their noses wearing patches proclaiming their criminality.
Worse -- they're gratified.
That is what came to mind for myself just recently, and then again upon sighting that which you responded to.
There are more than a few landmark decisions which involved less-than savory individuals & circumstance, in an array of cases often relied upon as demonstration of established case law.
You are correct.
Search & seizure, and questions relating to legitimacy of cause for arrest come to mind, but are by no means inclusive examples of the type of hard cases which have found their way into common Appellate-level citation.
Our laws are less than Godly perfect. Our processes of application of those same imperfect constructions can be even worse. Just ask the dozens (many dozens?) of mainly black men wrongly convicted, then eventually freed in the State of Illinois alone on strength of DNA evidence that proved they could not have committed the crimes they had been convicted of.
Its like a weight, that brings me down
If I don't move, I'm on the ground
Its in my mind, it's in my soul
Its telling me the things I can't be told
Its a
watch for the love
Living in the day of the eagle, eagle not the, dove
Another day, another night
I want to love, they want to fight
I need the time, I got to be alone
I got to meet a lover on my ownI watch for the love
Living in the day of the eagle, eagle not the, dove
I can’t imagine the stink the MSM would have made if it was the New Black Panthers in jail.
We’re losing America.
That's what it may seem like, but it was a LOT different than that. Nine people were KILLED, at least one with zip/zero criminal record and zip/zero affiliation with any biker club, in a fracas we are asked to believe was initiated by criminal bikers in immediate proximity to SIX MARKED POLICE CARS sitting in PLAIN VIEW, plus at least two busy restaurants with God only knows how many cameras and cell phones -- it was Sunday brunch hour.
177 people were arrested and held on million-dollar bail, yet only one third had prior criminal records! This was not "some unwilling arrested," this is the VAST MAJORITY of those arrested.
With respect, it's not difficult to get up to speed on this just by reading published NEWS reports and blogs LINKING TO published news reports from Waco Tribune, various TV stations, etc.
The fact that two thirds of those arrested lacked criminal records, immediately tells you that the whole official narrative of "dangerous biker gangs" is screwy; when you learn details such as SIX cop cars in plain sight, confiscated "weapons" included wallet chains and nail clippers, not to mention perfectly legal guns and knives plus LONG GUNS, for crying out loud -- when you add that to the fact that only a third of those arrested even had a prior record of anything INCLUDING driving with an expired record or breaking a gumball machine -- it tells any thinking person what is really going on here.
You cry about those people being responsible for helping all kinds of evil things stay in business -- which is tragically ironic because YOU are at this point responsible for enabling authoritarian government tyranny to set an ACCEPTED precedent to blatantly trample on the Constitution.
The mindset of "law enforcement" at Waco poses MUCH MORE DANGER than all the heroin, coke, and even evil meth, all put together.
PLEASE do your own due diligence before you decide what this was -- if you think this was about "outlaw motorcycle gangs," then you have some honest due-diligence to do.
The only things I’ve made up MY mind about is that outlaw biker gangs tend to be involved in the businesses of illegal drugs, guns, prostitution, murder, etc. and that in this case, there is not enough evidence for me to want to demonize the police. For now and as usual, I’ll trust my instincts and maintain a healthy skepticism until I can discover the truth on my own.
2014 Texas Gang Threat Assessment
I have been unable to find a 2015 version.
The Bandidos had a "middle of the pack" rating as to threat. Maybe Texas has had better success in actually ARRESTING those in higher ranked gangs for actually breaking the law.
From my own biker grapevine that includes someone very close to me who is connected to the true criminal bad-ass Hells Angel-type biker culture and has been for many decades, the Bandidos includes some seriously bad dudes (kidnapping, child selling, meth, extortion/"protection") that the cops should be catching and getting off the streets.
The Cossacks, however -- ALL I've been able to learn for sure is that some people in law enforcement accuse the Cossacks of being affiliated with the Hell's Angels, and the Bandidos have harassed and attacked Cossacks just for being Cossacks -- ANY trouble connected with Cossacks that is remotely verifiable is that they have RESPONDED to being provoked by Bandidos, either retaliation or just self-defense. Cossacks are a tailor-made fictional "criminal gang" easy to demonize and cast as the co-villain in this charade. I'll bet a lot of Cossacks are sitting amazed that they are such a bunch of professional sophisticated criminals as they're being portrayed on national media.
As for the utility of fellowship clubs of Harley riders -- I may not approve, I may think a real man shouldn't need that kind of "club" mentality to belong in the world, but I also know that a HORRIFIC number of boys are raised with no fathers, no men, no male structure or loyalty or honor, and the clubs PROVIDE it. If they are involved in criminal enterprises along the way, then it is the POLICEMAN's job to catch them as individual criminals. That is the cop's job, to catch them in the act.
But these cops want to just arrest anyone who seeks the fellowship of a Harley club, and define such membership as "criminal." Such cops are either too lazy or too incompetent to actually catch criminals doing criminal acts.
All bonds were initially set a a million dollars each.
Across the board.
You have no point because you are making assertions directly contradicting this case.
No, My FRiend, we have lost America. The election of 2008 confirmed that. The Americans pre November 4, 2008 would have never elected a muslim to lead them. The Americans pre 2008 would never reaffirm in 2012 that they wanted to be ruled by a muslim. The Americans per 2012 would have never booed the mention of God three times in succession.
Well, except for at least one. He was not only NOT a member of any club, let alone a "gang," he didn't even have a prior record. He was, however, a decorated Marine (Purple Heart).
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