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How one chord changed the world: "Tristan" at 150
WFMT ^ | 6/10/2015

Posted on 06/10/2015 9:55:46 AM PDT by Borges

If you’re a music lover, you may have heard of the so-called “Tristan chord” from Wagner’s opera Tristan und Isolde. Audiences were stunned to hear this infamous harmony when the opera premiered on June 10, 1865 in Munich, Germany. As Tristan turns 150, let’s take a look at what makes the Tristan chord so unique.

The “Vorspiel,” or Prelude, to Tristan begins with with a “dissonant” chord. The terms “consonance” and “dissonance,” “music” and “noise” are largely subjective. Now, in an era where our ears can enjoy everything from Chopin to Chick Corea, what our modern ears hear as “consonant” or musical may have been considered radically dissonant to the ears of people generals past. To hear the chord, click here.

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KEYWORDS: richardwagner; tristanchord; tristanundisolde; wagner
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To: Borges; .30Carbine; 1cewolf; 1rudeboy; 31R1O; ADemocratNoMore; afraidfortherepublic; alarm rider; ..

Thanks for the ping.

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41 posted on 06/10/2015 11:57:38 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Borges

I think we played this in high school band. It was ... interesting. Most of the poor kids seemed a bit confused.

(I can understand why)

Personally, I found it amusing, but then again, I played the drums (etc)


42 posted on 06/10/2015 12:27:20 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Borges

...Berg. I love his Violin Concerto.


43 posted on 06/10/2015 1:27:54 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: mbarker12474
Wagner's grandaughters Friedelind and Verena in 1938.
44 posted on 06/10/2015 2:49:55 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
Nothing particularly shocking to mine ears here.
45 posted on 06/10/2015 2:56:46 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; BenLurkin
I for one don't detest opera, though the lack of understanding the language it's being sung in doesn't help. Then again, I like Vocaloid music and I don't speak a lick of Japanese. I've recently discovered Symphonic Metal, a genera featuring classically trained operatic sopranos singing heavy metal with an orchestral motif. For a most amazing performance check out...

http://youtu.be/4V_eoR6r1Tw

46 posted on 06/10/2015 3:05:41 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: ADemocratNoMore

Beethoven and Chopin aren’t shocking anymore either. They were to their contemporaries.


47 posted on 06/10/2015 3:07:49 PM PDT by Borges
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To: ADemocratNoMore
Awesome. Great stuff.


48 posted on 06/10/2015 3:12:54 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("It is never untimely to yank the rope of freedom's bell." - - Frank Capra)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; BenLurkin

A few more, Miku, Florence Foster Jenkins & Cathy Berberian...

http://youtu.be/51q6am2SPhE

http://youtu.be/V6ubiUIxbWE

http://youtu.be/0dNLAhL46xM


49 posted on 06/10/2015 3:29:26 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Borges

> Beethoven and Chopin aren’t shocking anymore either. They were to their contemporaries.

Quite true. Have you ever seen the BBC drama on the rehearsal of The Eroica? Full movie here...

http://youtu.be/mFA_tT8_v-Q


50 posted on 06/10/2015 3:36:24 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; BenLurkin

One more...

http://youtu.be/WLqVioiDldc


51 posted on 06/10/2015 3:52:53 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Borges
That rascally g# minor6 will get you every time yessiree
52 posted on 06/10/2015 5:24:23 PM PDT by BigEdLB (They need to target the 'Ministry of Virtue' which has nothing to do with virtue.)
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To: gr8eman

a-flat minor 6th/g-sharp minor 6th


53 posted on 06/10/2015 5:25:50 PM PDT by BigEdLB (They need to target the 'Ministry of Virtue' which has nothing to do with virtue.)
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To: Borges
Randy Bachman describes and plays the opening chord of "Hard Day's Night"
54 posted on 06/10/2015 5:31:28 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: mbarker12474

And he makes a pretty good paint sprayer too!


55 posted on 06/10/2015 5:35:23 PM PDT by ThomasThomas ("YOUR BADGE! SHOW HIM YOUR BADGE!")
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To: ADemocratNoMore

Nightwish is pretty awesome. I use Vocaloid software (Avanna) for scratch vocals. It is incredible stuff. Right now it’s still not ‘realistic’, but with work, English Vocaloids can be made to sound very convincing. Very usable, even good within certain contexts. I very much look forward to the American release of Yamaha’s own “Cyber Diva” which takes Avanna a few steps further.

The biggest issue seems to be that it is percieved as a program for starstruck 14 YO girls and not a professional tool. And of course, their marketing of it to the vocaloid fandom doesn’t help that .


56 posted on 06/10/2015 6:58:40 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Borges
I just found a review I did a few years ago. As it pertains to a "modern" piece it may be germane to the discussion.

The Cleveland Orchestra preforms Dream/Window by Tōru Takemitsu

A review 9/26/2010

Riding in my car with the radio tuned to WCLV. It was announced that the Cleveland Orchestra would be playing a work by Tōru Takemitsu. Shirley and I looked at each other and we each said "Who?". Perhaps it would have been better had I remained ignorant of this composer.

A few days later, WCLV broadcast the entire performance. It appears that Tōru Takemitsu was commissioned by a Kyoto bank, or perhaps an industrial firm or civic institution to write a piece celebrating the city. I cannot help but think, that, upon hearing this work, the commissioner would have asked Takemitsu to return the commission and then commit seppuku to atone for the embarrassment he caused not only to the institution but the city and the artist as well.

The piece is entitled Dream/Window and proports to envision the view of a Japanese garden through a window and through the window of a dream. A 55 gallon drum of Windex would have done a great deal to help this piece, as the view from this window at high noon with not a cloud in the sky is darker than that of the deepest twilight.

Mind you, I like weird music, very weird music, hell, I make music myself that is so far out of the mainstream that most listeners would run out of the room rather than listen to another moment of one of my works. It gives me hope, though, perhaps someday my noodlings will be given a performance by one of the great orchestras on the planet as they are no worse (or better).

I would probably like this piece by Tōru Takemitsu in another setting, as chill-out music or as a film score. It does not belong at Severance Hall in the company of giants, and, sadly, it was a colossal waste of the talented musicianship found in the Cleveland Orchestra. This is not to say anything bad about the Cleveland Orchestra, as I believe that their true genius shone through in this performance in that they were able to play such execrable music with such virtuosity.

Normally, the orchestra tunes up, the conductor comes on stage and the music starts. I can only assume that the orchestra tuned up beforehand, but after the conductor came on stage and started playing Dream/Window, it sounded like the orchestra was tuning up all over again, not that one could have easily noticed the difference when listening to this piece. This marks the first time that I've heard the orchestra tuning up just before the work was over. In fact, I wounder if the orchestra ever stopped tuning up throughout the performance.

Takemitsu was obviously a Trekkie, as in this piece the Enterprise quickly becomes lost in the Nebulous Nebula and nobody can find their way out. Not once did the Captain (or the composer) consult a road map, stop at a gas station to ask directions or use his GPS. While wandering aimlessly through this piece, the listener is, on one occasion, attacked by huge minor chords that go on for far too long, (as did this piece), and is occasionally aware of disembodied bits and pieces of melodies floating by outside the window, but which never stop in and say hello.

One just knows that the Atomic Mutant Monsters will be showing up any moment now, and although a little change of pace would have been welcome, sadly, in the end they never did.

"Daddy, Daddy, are we there yet?

"Shadup ya little So & So or I'll feed you to Godzilla"

"Oh please do, at least I won't have to listen to any more of this".

57 posted on 06/11/2015 1:08:46 AM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Borges

Wagner was an anti-Semitic Jew hater. His music is beautiful. I choose not to listen to it when possible.


58 posted on 06/11/2015 7:39:00 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: mbarker12474

Wagner also hated Catholics and the French. Mussorgsky also hated Jews so did Chopin.


59 posted on 06/11/2015 7:42:46 AM PDT by Borges
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To: mbarker12474

Incidentally, one of the two women in that photo...Friedlind, emigrated to the U.S. and made anti-Nazi broadcasts, which embarrassed the family and Hitler considerably. She died in 1991. The other one, Verena, is still alive at 95.


60 posted on 06/11/2015 8:04:39 AM PDT by Borges
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