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The only place in the world the true church has not suffered, as of yet, is here in the west, and that in the last fews centuries of history. All through the history of the church, true believrs have suffered, even at the hands of other professing believers.

I am pre trib, but that dosent mean I don't believe the church won't suffer, but I do believe that we will not be upon the earth when God pours out His wrath on the wole earth, we will be preserved from the "hour of trial which will come upon the whole world" Rev 3:10.

I'm of the opoinion that true believers will soon be set upon by modern society, much worse than now, right here in our own America, for surely we are already witnessing this very thing from the Gay LGBT codre. For Jesus surely said that we would see trial, by the evil one, and that we would be persecuted for His name sake... you could ask, "if we are not being persecuted, then are we really living the way Christ instructed us to live, right now... I am guilty of not stand for Christ as I should, God help us and empower us to stand for your truth, whether pre, post or somewhere in the middle.

"I'm of the opinion that true believers will soon be set upon by modern society, much worse than now, right here in our own America ..." Preach it! You will get huge agreement with most Freepers.

It is so clear that the spirit of antichrist is rising, preparing the way for the man of sin to emerge.

America is slaughtering her alive unborn children and praising the act (Molech worship anyone?) as right and proper behavior for expediency sake.

America is not just tolerating what God calls an abomination, the nation is making special privilege for the abominable.

America's military is being used as a tool by the 'money changers' spilling the blood of the innocents around the world so the oligarchy can seize power over other nations who do not want into the debt based economy.

America is consciously adopting laws which single out the hallmarks of Christian life as intolerable because Christians do not tolerate and then protect gross immorality (well, we didn't used to, but now that the entire taboo structure undergirding Western Civilization is gone ...).

American law is being rewritten to protect Islam while banning many aspects of Christian life.

And America is welcoming invasion of illegals (welcoming their illegal behavior!) to fuel the flailing capitalism ogre which cannot get/persuade/beg the welfare dependents to work for a living when they can obtain money for voting for the oligarchy.

we are at the door of Christians being forced underground to worship God. But at the same time, mega churches preach garbage like 'name it and claim it', and brotherly love means letting brothers love each other and defile the institution of marriage upon which family is based. America's elected bastard leaders are rudderless and working feverishly to stear the ship of state they play at into the most horrific rocks of judgment, at the hands of the bloodiest cult of satan ever devised, Islam.

Well it seems that the real bad stuff occurs after the death of the two witnesses and the abomination of desolation...so a rapture before the second 3.5 yrs might be considered probable. Christ said though he’ll come at a time no one expects and that no one knows the time of his coming save the Father in heaven. Christ always had away of confounding the experts, fulfilling scripture but not in the way that we might expect him to dos so. It is probably safer to follow Jesus’ admonition to watch and know the times and lift our heads when we see things predicted start to happen for our redemption draws nigh! It’s the safest as well as the approved by God course to follow!