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To: EveningStar
1 Thessalonians 4 does describe a "rapture"-- a snatching up of believers. However, this will occur just prior to the Second coming, after the tribulation. After this will occur the final battle, the judgement of the nations, and the end of time when there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

All this other stuff-- a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, the rebuilding of the temple, etc-- is an unbiblical mish-mash of OT and NT passages taken out of context. This doctrine was only invented in the 1860's and is only believed by a tiny but vocal percentage of Christians, mostly here in the US.

21 posted on 05/05/2015 6:55:01 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: fidelis

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>> “All this other stuff— a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, the rebuilding of the temple, etc— is an unbiblical mish-mash of OT and NT passages taken out of context.” <<

A deliberately antagonizing, but totally foolish declaration!

The 1000 year reign is about the most supported facet of prophecy. Only the resurrection at the last trump is better covered.
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25 posted on 05/05/2015 7:01:11 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: fidelis

Read Mark 13:32, Matthew 24:31, Matthew 24:42, Luke 12:40, and Matthew 24:37-39 specifically details a normal daily routine when HE returns. If what you say is true, then life will hardly be “normal” during a tribulation type “rapture”.

Does that sound like we’ll have to go thru the “Trib”?

How many times can you count 1,000 in these verses?

Revelation 20:2-7


31 posted on 05/05/2015 7:13:32 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Unapologetic supporters of Obama, Sodomy, and Abortion will find the afterlife rather torturous)
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To: fidelis
"However, this will occur just prior to the Second coming, after the tribulation." Actually, no. The rapture is for the Church and ends the Church Age, which ushers in the seventieth week of Daniel's weeks of sabbaticals for the Jews. The coming of Jesus at the end of the Tribulation is to set foot on the Earth and deal with humanity that was not in the Church. The scenes from the Tribulation are for the Jewish relationship with God, including the 144,000 sealed by the Holy Spirit to carry out the evangelization of the remaining humans after the Rapture.

God chose the descendants of Abraham to evangelize the world. They will finally get around to it during the seventieth week of Daniel's prophecy. Interestingly, the bastard son of Abraham will be doing the devilment during that time, trying to wipe out the evangelists. Hagar's boy is a wild man, blood thirsty, and full of devilish zeal to match the zeal of the 144,000 evangelizing Jews during that seven years.

32 posted on 05/05/2015 7:14:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: fidelis
All this other stuff-- a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, the rebuilding of the temple, etc-- is an unbiblical mish-mash of OT and NT passages taken out of context.

2/3s of the Old Testament is a witness to this future earthly kingdom...I'd suspect that you haven't read enough of the bible to even know if it is in there but are just repeating what some nut job told you...

47 posted on 05/05/2015 7:54:08 PM PDT by Iscool
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