Posted on 03/26/2015 3:59:59 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
I have a solution for the problem of a pilot getting locked out of the cockpit allowing the co-pilot to commit suicide taking 149 other innocent people with him. Doesn't require expensive hardware, only a policy change.
Make the cockpit a "No Lone Zone". Military folks will recognize this as an area designated for the buddy system. In other words you are never allowed to be alone in the aircraft cockpit. When either the pilot or co-pilot wants to leave, another member of the crew must take his place.
Things were different in Europe, though.
Excellent line of thinking.
They had a keypad on the outside on the German plane.
The co-pilot overrode that function with a standard 20-minute lockout. That’s to keep terrorists from getting the keypad cose and gaining access from the cabin. The 20 minute lockout can be renewed indefinitely.
He crashed the plane in 18 minutes.
Reread what the poster said.
Reread post 17.
The keypad already exists and it can be overridden from inside the cockpit.
Thus it does no good, and did no good, in this case.
Reread what the poster said.
A keypad on the outside does no good if it is overridden from the inside. See the instructions for NORM and for LOCK.
The override rejects a request for access from the outside keypad, for 20 minutes at a time.
The poster described what already exists and was shown to be ineffective in preventing an “inside” job.
There, right there Mr Fong, is where you mess up. The poster clearly states how to get inside the cabin from the outside.
Gee, how about doing a better job of screening your damn pilots.
Mr. Magoo, what the poster said in 15 makes no sense in the light of post 17, which is the operational procedure for re-entry.
A combination lock and keypad on the out side does no good if the keypad lock can be overridden from the inside.
The keypad in this case was locked out, thus no access for re-entry to the cockpit was granted.
How is this a solution to the problem?
Sorry. I can’t help you.
Likewise.
The poster in 15 sounded like he had a solution.
He did not.
Even having a second person, ie an FA, sit in the cockpit when the pilot leaves is not foolproof. This is now touted as the reason why this cannot happen on US flights.
One boxcutter takes care of that issue.
Thus it does no good, and did no good, in this case.
Can the cockpit door be opened from the inside, regardless of the override?
If so, then the second person in the cockpit (the one not bent on murder-suicide) could open the door for the locked-out pilot, could he/she not?
This is the policy that the Canadian government mandated today, effective immediately.
Are you somebody that I should be conversing with?
Unless the second person in the cockpit is the 102 lb. stewardess (Kirstin), whom the psychopathic pilot has immediately knocked out with a right hook as soon as the door has locked behind the restroom bound good guy pilot.
It is a no lone zone in the US.
Both kinds, Cheese sandwich and jello. I used to be a cheese sandwich guy, but I have since switched to preferring jello.
The second person could open the door if they are not taken out by the co-pilot first.
It is not foolproof.
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