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To: Rockingham

Sorry, but I’m not sure you’re right. Your idea assumes that Muslims consider “human rights, democracy, and fair treatment of women” to constitute “reform.”

The actual fact is that many of them consider “reform” to be a return to the early days of Islam. IOW, Islamism is reformist, to them.

Everybody is in favor of reform. Take “immigration reform.” I’m as much in favor as La Raza. Except that our definition of what would constitute reform differ pretty drastically.

To a great many Muslims, becoming more like the West does not constitute “reform.” Given that our society is at least as much about promiscuity, drug use, atheism and moral laxity as it is about human rights, they have a point.

In particular, what we would call “fair treatment of women” they would often call exploitation of women. To some extent they have a point here too. Women has, in my estimation, gotten the short end of the sexual revolution stick.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that the very notion of “reform” as a self-evident good implies a basic consensus in society as to what is the right direction for us to be moving. Reform is the policy that moves us in that direction. Absent such consensus there can be no reform, as such, just competing policy ideas.


37 posted on 03/16/2015 6:37:03 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Islamists do not consider human rights, democracy, and fair treatment of women to be reforms even though they are and tend to make societies that embrace them less violent and less aggressive.

After WW II, such reforms were central to reconstruction of Germany and Japan. Today, both countries provide a better life for their citizens than they did before the war and are reliable US allies. I see no reason not to urge that Islam also adopt modern ways in the hope of spurring similar results.

It is absurd to think that Islam protects women. Muslim societies regard women as subject to rape in a wide range of circumstances, to beatings for trivial reasons, and to death for incurring dishonor on their family in even the most innocent of circumstances.

Nor does rule by mullahs lead to a virtuous society. Iran is rife with drug abuse and prostitution, with many high end Iranian prostitutes plying their trade in the Gulf states as the main source of support for their extended families at home. Generally, when rich Muslims want to party, they can easily do so discretely at home, or they go to the West's tourist spots, with Islam no restraint on their conduct.

39 posted on 03/16/2015 8:36:04 AM PDT by Rockingham
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