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Christians, Jews, Muslims share history (barf alert)
Toronto Sun ^ | Mar 14/15 | Tom Harpur

Posted on 03/15/2015 7:17:52 AM PDT by Dartman

President Barack Obama is right that the U.S. and the West, in general, are "not at war with Islam." As he has said, 99.9% of Muslims want exactly what the rest of us desire – peace, justice and happiness.

But the air is thick with misunderstandings and lies. Recently a Muslim woman was banned from wearing a headscarf called a hijab in a Quebec courtroom. Far from hiding a woman's face, the hijab is a tasteful symbol of a traditional respect for modesty, not a mask.

Many non-Muslims in the West have no idea how huge a contribution was made by Islam to the great cultural awakening of the Renaissance. Much of the impetus for advances in philosophy, science and the arts came from the Greeks via Islam. Books created by the great minds of Classical Greece and then destroyed by overzealous Christians determined to rid the world of all traces of "paganism" were preserved in Arabic. When they were "discovered" in the period leading up to the Middle Ages, the flowering of intellect known as the Renaissance or "rebirth" commenced.

Of course, every generation believes it is living in a critical era. This moment in history holds the seeds of a possible conflagration leading to disaster for civilization. Those who lived through the breathtakingly taut moments of the Cuban crisis in 1962 will be acutely aware of the similarities to the confrontation between Russian Vladimir Putin and the West over the future of Ukraine.

One aspect of the present crisis that fascinates me, as one who spent much of my career covering religion, is that much of the present tension is coming from relationships among Christians, Muslims and Jews around the world.

Why is religion so much a part of the current crisis over terrorism and of every other major conflict on Earth? Why is it that those responsible for governments everywhere find themselves facing not so much a political dilemma but a frightening clash of ideologies that so often have a religious element?

It's because religion is about ultimate issues, about life and death, about the meaning of life itself and human destiny. For that reason, I encourage Christians, Muslims and Jews to realize just how closely their histories, traditions and sacred teachings bind them together.

These three are spiritually all members of one family of faith in spite of obvious differences. They worship the same God, whatever name is used. Reading the Qur'an you learn that Allah is the God of Abraham and the God of Jesus and his followers. In fact, Abraham's story is crucial to Jews, Christians and Muslims alike. The Jewish connection is well known. Abraham was and remains the founding father of Judaism. The Bible makes it clear in the ancient story that he was the father of Isaac, who was the father of Jacob, whose name was changed by God to Israel and who was the father of the 12 sons who then became heads of the tribes of Israel.

But Ishmael, who was also Abraham's son, was and remains the father of the Arabs and their succeeding tribes. Those Christians who know the Bible know that Abraham also is the spiritual father of every Christian. His faith is the supreme example of the faith of the church. Paul in Galatians, for example, says: Just as Abraham "believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness," so, you see, those who believe are the descendants of Abraham. (Gal. 3:6). Read the Qur'an as well as the Hebrew and Christian Bibles and you will be astonished how much they hold in common. Any scholar of religion will confirm that although like most families they have their differences, these three faiths are inescapably one. Their true followers are all called "People of the Book."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Religion
KEYWORDS: abraham; christian; christianity; fatherabraham; history; ishmael; islam; islamversusthewest; muslims; obamaislam; obamamuslims; share
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This guy may have studied religion for a long time, but he is obviously not a believer himself. As for what 99.9% of muslims want, he might want to lower his estimate by a few points.
1 posted on 03/15/2015 7:17:52 AM PDT by Dartman
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To: Dartman

Man, what a bunch of lipstick.


2 posted on 03/15/2015 7:26:04 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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They worship the same God,

Wrong
Islam worships the god of murder, rape, slavery, pedophiles, theft, and hate. In other words, Satan.

I would venture that this idiot has NEVER read the Quran. I have and I know better than to buy into the lie that Islam worships the same god as Christians and Jews.

3 posted on 03/15/2015 7:26:18 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Dartman

the flowering of enlightenment? Did Christians sack and burn the other great libraries or is the writer of the article leading a little by this article?
I suppose it was Christians dressed up as muslims destroying the statues of the Assyrian kings last week on the few “news” channels that showed the idiots at work.And it’s easy to ignore the artistic efforts of the peace lovers at the mass beheadings on the beach a few weeks ago.


4 posted on 03/15/2015 7:30:33 AM PDT by Boowhoknew
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Far from hiding a woman's face, the hijab is a tasteful symbol of a traditional respect for modesty, not a mask.

Oh. I thought it was to prevent the men from inadvertently becoming hetero.

5 posted on 03/15/2015 7:32:27 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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They worship the same God, whatever name is used.

Not even close.

The difference between Islam and Christianity is clear. Christ teaches forgiveness. Mohamed teaches killing. Killing is the nature of the Islamic god, their prophet and their religion.

The example of Mohamed on forgivness Sahih Muslim, Book 17: 4206

There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle.By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.

The example of Jesus on forgivness (John 8:1-11)

But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?" They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

6 posted on 03/15/2015 7:33:48 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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90% of all Muslims would like to be left alone, to live their lives. That is true. But let’s do the math. there are over a billion Muslims in this world. That leaves 10% that would dearly love to have a world wide Caliphate. That’s over 100 million Muslims. Let’s put all the armies that fought in WW2 together. Whether the allies or the nazis or the Japs. Put them all together will not equal 100 million. That’s who we are fighting, 100 million Muslims. And they really don’t care how they kill us. In order to defeat these 100 million Muslims, we have to fight them the same way as they fight us, NO HOLDS BARRED. They kill 100 of ours, we must kill 10,000 of them. It’s all mathematics.


7 posted on 03/15/2015 7:35:42 AM PDT by gingerbread
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As he has said, 99.9% of Muslims want exactly what the rest of us desire – peace, justice and happiness.

It is more than 0.1% who support Islamonazism. Some estimates from polls would estimate those willing to engage in violent jihad against the infidel as being 10%, and those who won't do it themselves but are supportive of it are even higher.

8 posted on 03/15/2015 7:35:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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9 posted on 03/15/2015 7:37:56 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

10 posted on 03/15/2015 7:38:28 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Dartman

I am certain that the flapping motions the jaw makes while uttering mindless platitudes like “Muslims and Christians worship the same god” won’t in any way interfere with the process of beheading.

I also think it’s likely that my hypothesis will be tested in Canada and the USA before long.


11 posted on 03/15/2015 7:39:11 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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The guy’s making the mistake of confusing arabs with muslims .... arabs have been around for a very long time and had their own unislamic beliefs, but islam is a relatively recent creation. While many arabs are muslim, not all are muslim, and of those who are, few are muslim by choice, as they never had any alternative.


12 posted on 03/15/2015 7:41:02 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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the Jihadi PR machine doing its thing with the whores in the media.


13 posted on 03/15/2015 7:42:11 AM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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To: Dartman

This was a thread about two weeks ago. I remember because I posted on it that it’s been said that there is nothing in their ———— book that mandates women have to be covered - head or toe!! I remember writing that I can’t bring myself to even type the name of that devilish book they supposedly live by.


14 posted on 03/15/2015 7:43:09 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: gingerbread

“It’s all mathematics.”

Except after nuking Mecca & Medina, the count goes to zero muslims. That is the one hold which no one wants to do, but is the only one which will forever end the scourge of Islam.

“90% of all Muslims would like to be left alone, to live their lives.”

And of the 90% who allude to following the First Given koran, 90% of them support jihad - as we support out soldiers, they support theirs. Living their lives means to them that everyone else must lose theirs. All else is FUD.


15 posted on 03/15/2015 7:45:14 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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They worship the same God,

No they do not.

There is a test in the "Bible" for angels and Mohamed's angel does not pass it. Islam is Satanic.

16 posted on 03/15/2015 7:50:26 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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Far from hiding a woman's face, the hijab is a tasteful symbol of a traditional respect for modesty, not a mask.

Oh please, it is just slave garb. There is no way to hide islam is slavery for women.

17 posted on 03/15/2015 7:52:34 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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Well, we do share some history, they tried to take over all of Europe and we kicked them out. They tried to kill all Christians in the Holy Land and we invaded to protect them.
Hitler tried to wipe out the Jews, with the help of the mulims and we stopped it. They stole 4 of our planes and flew them into buildings in order to kill Christians and Jews.

That’s “shared history”, isn’t it?


18 posted on 03/15/2015 7:55:11 AM PDT by logic101.net (If libs believe in Darwin and natural selection why do they get hacked off when it happens?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Of that .1 % half are females, mostly unsuitable for fighting or not allowed to; half are male; of which only a fraction are of age to fight- and of those of age to fight, some are physically or mentally unable.

Of those remaining a large number will wet their britches in their first fight, and a large number just won’t be good at it.

The only reason there are so many muslims is that most are afraid to be anything else but are counted as true believers because their muslim country will not accept any other answer on the “census.”


19 posted on 03/15/2015 7:59:54 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Thank You Rush

WOW! Can’t find it now but I know I didn’t dream it. I went all the way back to the early part of February and can’t find it. I was just curious why this has a current date on it when I read the same thing apparently weeks ago.


20 posted on 03/15/2015 8:00:54 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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