Posted on 03/12/2015 7:17:13 PM PDT by daniel1212
How many were killed Fire Bombing Tokyo and Dresden?
Dead is dead, no matter how they were killed.
Those two Democrats, FDR and Truman really hated the Japs. FDR imprisons Japanese American Citizens and Truman Nukes Japanese Nationals.
That is the universal consensus here, vs liberal sites and media.
So many were made that no more were needed to be made until the first Gulf War, and even then the only reason they had to make more (they bought another 9,000) was because the government had lost track of where they were stored and couldn't find them.
There was a point in between when the government had them cleaned and re-ribboned because of their age.
95% of Americans don’t know the real decision chain that really pushed the USA to drop the bomb, and here is the short version:
The Potsdam Declaration involved Churchill, FDR and Stalin, and part of the agreement required that after Hitler defeat within some increment of time the Soviets would aid in the fall of Japan.
The allies could see there was an on-going Soviet land-grab in Eastern Europe —that Stalin almost certainly would not simply leave after Hitler’s final defeat. They realized that heavy Soviet aid in the fall of Japan would likely result in a divided Japan —an Eastern version of what befell Germany, with a half-century division of the whole country, a Berlin airlift, etc., etc.
In other words, a Japanese version EXACTLY what we see to this day in the divided Koreas:
An accelerated US victory would provide a much greater chance of totally excluding Stalin from Japan, which is how it played out (aside from the loss of Sakalin and some minor islands immediately north of Hokkaido).
There were military and moral questions that came into play in the Atomic Bombings, but in the end the most compelling factors came from international POLITICS.
You’re probably never going to read this again.
Sound reasoning all. Which is scorned by those who swallow liberal fantasy about the nature of man and means of dealing with it. Likewise they condemn Biblical wars.
Maranatha!
Not only, but was reported to say (profanity excised), "We are going to have to fight them sooner or later.... Why not do it now while our army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back into Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the German troops we have if we just arm them and take them with us."
Not to mention that American soldiers were extremely eager to get home ASAP. They had no illusions about the romance of war by that point, they were just glad to be alive.
Indeed, The Poles would have helped, but in reality it likely was too late. FDR should have only helped the Soviets enough to keep Germany from advancing, the people from starving.
And conservative Christians will board the next shuttle to Venus.
I am probably alive because of the Bomb.
My father was in the Navy and was crew chief on a PBY. They were pretty slow aircraft compared to a zero. They probably would have been sent to pick up downed pilots or do reconnaissance in the invasion of Japan. He had orders and was 2 weeks from shipping out to Okinawa when the bomb was dropped. My uncle was a marine and not so lucky. He survived but only after Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Tarawa, and if my mother remembered correctly, Palau.
In time they might be issued to liberal who felt persecuted by fellow soldiers.
A very reasonable addition to the reasons at least. But they fed the Bear too much before that.
We usually see this sort of thing in August or thereabouts.
Certainly see the contrast here versus liberal forums!
My grandfather joined the Marines in 43, a few months after his first wife died. After completing training he was assigned to the 6th Marine Division and landed on D-Day at Okinawa. He was 35 years old when he waded ashore.
When historians estimate the loss of civilian life at Okinawa there should be adding a footnote or two. First Okinawan culture was still distinct from Japanese culture at the time of the battle. Evidence of this comes from a tale my grandfather told of capturing some Japanese soldiers hiding among the Okinawan populace. He was alerted of their presence by the Okinawans. Second, about half the island was undefended. A sizable portion of Okinawan civilians did not evacuate behind the infamous Surri line and were “captured” by the Marines assigned to take the north end of the island. Keep this in mind when you hear about civilian deaths of about one third of the population. Now extrapolate that to what would have happened on the main islands of Japan, where every inch would have been contested. It is difficult to imagine.
Americans rarely talk about the British contribution to the battle. Many British ships (English, Australian and New Zealand flagged) took part and were attacked by kamikaze along with the America fleet.
Further, Churchill committed the Empire to the invasion of Honshu, Operation Olympia, along with the Americans. Britain estimated they would suffer about 500,000 casualties. This is on top of the estimated 1,000,000 American dead, missing and wounded. Japanese casualties would have been horrific.
The NappyOne
I really don’t understand your response.
Please clarify. I’m a bit slow on the uptake tonight.
BTW - What time does the Shuttle to Venus leave?
I haven’t packed a thing.
Thank God. Sad that so many died however, but wars as this were and are necessary. But now, in fighting against God then liberal America has made itself a loser.
True, but it was posted today on a forum i happened to look at, and has resulted in many insightful intelligent comments.
It's a great pity that when the odd bit of liberal thinking seeps through it's mostly on the RF! The last place it should be!
Still...best site by far!
My Dad served in the South Pacific as a Signalman in the Navy during WWII.
He served on a Sub Chaser, a Destroyer and a Military Tug that recovered beached Landing Craft off Okinawa during the Invasion.
He turns 92 Next Week.
What i meant was that just as FDR ordered the interment of Jap-Americans due to the threat they potential posed, liberal elites see conservatives as an even greater threat to the utopia they imagine they are creating (at the ex$pense of others), with themselves alone reigning as demigods.
Thus if they would like to place us on Venus, while in reality they progressively work even more to penalize and silence such by other means.
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