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To: w1n1

Silly and largely useless tricks. Ballistic sleight of hand that has very little real-world functional use, and at best only looks ‘cool’ but in reality is just dangerous fooling around. The best pistol users in the world - the French GIGN, Germany GSG 9 and US Delta - don’t waste time engaging in such ‘drills.’ Not that they cannot (Delta’s hostage rescue training at times requires team mates to play the role of hostages in the Kill House, sitting still as their team mates rounds impact targets a short distance away) ...but their training has a purpose. What you’re seeing in the video however is simply buffoonery.


4 posted on 02/26/2015 9:30:57 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Yeah, except the guy in the video was Larry Vickers, delta for 15 years. And he didn’t exactly share your opinion.


7 posted on 02/26/2015 9:44:11 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: spetznaz

I only watched the clips presented here, but I would say it is far from buffoonery.

Recognizing a threat from behind is very hard...most suffer from tunnel vision. Especially if the threat isn’t presented every drill. Good exercise.

Even the discharge into the ground...operator turns to deal with threat from behind, makes physical contact with weakhand, and sympathetic discharge with right but the muzzle is arguably in a safe direction (ground). If a threat a quick rock into position and the operator is good to go.

Having someone fire a gun near you, so you see and feel and hear everything can help condition you. The noise, blast, image can all be petrifying causing the operator to freeze.

From what I see far from buffoonery.


10 posted on 02/26/2015 9:59:49 AM PST by Geoffrey
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To: spetznaz

Some of the techniques used may have some real world usefulness as far as induced stress response management are concerned, but there are other safe ways to carry out the same or other similar drills without injury...

Force on force is useful in training to manage stress response (caveman hands!) and can be conducted safely with protective gear and airsoft pistols...

I realize the element of real danger is not present in airsoft training, so does not have the same level of fear of injury/death use of live ammo has, but airsoft is a better way to demonstrate real world type confrontations and how to respond effectively without the risk of serious injury or death...And unlike the Russians who apparently accept the risk of death as part of their training, most Americans do not...

Gabe Suarez and others conduct “force on force” training using airsoft, and airsoft training is part of my personal training regimen...


13 posted on 02/26/2015 10:37:27 AM PST by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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