Posted on 02/07/2015 11:33:55 AM PST by Steve Newton
Ok. This is the final version of an Act to remove the tax exempt status from all Islamic organizations. Let's FReep this petition.
Need to edit above post:
I’d have no problem with a declaration banning Islamic mosques and other Muslim institutions in this country...
[ ...That are funded by foreign entities or governments.]
While it’s completely legal and Constitutional to ban certain “actions” (i.e., make illegal) ... like cutting off heads, bombings buildings and people, stoning women, etc. — it is not illegal and is protected under the US Constitution, to have religious practices (which are not illegal) in churches or mosques or any building for any religion ... in the USA!
My Friend the Constitution does not “give” rights. Our Rights come from God. I am not sure you are completely understanding the intent of the founding fathers.
I cannot see them allowing a known enemy of freedom to operate in this country with impunity.
Humm
Maybe we should start slower than going directly to the 2nd amendment.
I just believe that we should not let an enemy, that has declared themselves an enemy, operate freely in this Nation.
No Star. You are talking a democracy, or a tyranny of the majority. This is a Republic of laws.
The thing is ... the very “Constitutional Republic” (which is a nation of laws and not of men) ... is exactly what prevents you and anyone else from eliminating Mosques from the USA, just because they are the religion of Islam, and it prevents you or anyone from making it illegal to have a “Nazi organization” or a “Communist organization” ... as long as they all abide by those civil laws.
That very “Constitutional Republic” prevents you from doing what you say at the beginning of this post ... and that’s the beauty of our system and why you’ll never get anywhere with it ... other than posting about it and talking about it ... :-) ...
Talking about removing their tax exempt status. Its a start.
And actually the proposed Act is going to the Clerk of the House and Senate on Monday.
Let’s hope someone picks it up. If enough people support it, we CAN make a difference. I think even you know that we must start to put a check on Islam in this country, before we become like other countries.
Help make a difference Star.
Communists have been allowed to operate in this country for as long as they have existed. During the Cold War, that operation was more intense than it is now, but Communists operate in this country, today ... and have “organizations” with members and buildings, and they can publish and talk at meetings without any government interference. That’s what our Constitutional Republic allows, “by law” as we are a nation of laws and not of men.
Also, it’s the same for Nazis. They can parade, meet, publish, talk, have their own organizational buildings, etc., without interference from the government. That’s the case, also, because of our Constitutional Republic.
For Muslims and their Mosques, it’s exactly the same as it would be for the Satanism religion, Hindus, Buddhists, or even CULT GROUPS like Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses ... they are all allowed the same freedoms (and applied in exactly the same way, across the board).
And of those that I mentioned up above, most of them ARE “a known enemy of freedom” ... BUT ... they are allowed that freedom to operate “within the laws” of our country. They are just as much protected by the U.S. Constitution as the next person is.
Sorry if you thought differently, but you are wrong ... and you’re not only wrong “in theory” but you are wrong in ACTUAL HISTORY ... namely that all these groups “have” (in the past and up to now) operated freely without government prohibitions to prevent their operation.
The difference I’ll make is to strongly argue against it ... as I have already explained here ... and argue strongly for our Constitutional Republic and the U.S. Constitution (again, as I have already explained here).
AND ... actually ... I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with you or anyone sending this to the Clerk of the House or Senate — BECAUSE — I figure that is the quickest way to “get a dose of reality” on the matter. I really do look forward to hearing the results, both over the short term and the long term. Please do report back.
May I ask a question Star?
I can tell you have done your research even though your interpretations are in question.
But let me ask you this: Can you apply those same research skills in trying to protect this nation against Islam?
Or do you really see no threat from them at all?
Check this out. Its starting
Last Friday, the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) announced that it has revoked the charitable status of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Development Foundation, after an audit of its books produced evidence linking it to Pakistani terrorist groups. The Government of Canada has made it clear that it will not tolerate the abuse of the registration system for charities to provide any means of support to terrorism, said a CRA press release.
Islam isn’t a religion, it’s a terrorist operation.
I’ve looked into Islam and the Islamic Terrorist question for a long time. It goes back to Steven Emerson in the early to mid-’90s, with his Jihad in America documentary. And I followed his testimony in Congress at the end of the ‘90s before 9/11 happened, even though the first Islamic bombing of the World Trade Center had happened. I also read Osama bin Ladin’s Declaration of War against the USA before the turn of the Century.
I have also been involved in church/state issues even long before any Islamic issues ever came up or there was such a problem.
The USA has a Constitution protection for ALL RELIGIONS equally, whether it’s Satanism or a CULT GROUP (like Mormonism) or a foreign and anti-Christian religion like Hinduism or Budhism. That’s sort of unfortunate for Christianity, but Christianity doesn’t have any special protection over any other religion, per the US Constitution. That’s just the way it is ... and we can all see that in action today, in that Christianity gets no more preference than any other religion ... despite a lot of people wanting it to.
The way to protect this nation against “Political Islam” versus religious Islam, as practiced under the Constitution, is to recognize “Political Islam” as distinct and different from religious Islam, just like Dr. Zuhdi Jasser does with “American Islamic Forum for Democracy”. That was a conclusion I had come to, long before I had ever heard of Jasser. I was glad to hear that Muslims like him existed.
As for the “religious sphere” ... as how to protect this country against a slew of non-Christian and false religions ... there is no Constitutional way to eliminate them from a presence in this country. The Constitution allows it and there’s nothing one can do to get any of them out of the country. But, the Bible indicates that’s the way it’s going to be until the coming of the Lord ... so get used to it.
BUT ... in reality CHRISTIANITY has no threat from any of the false religions of the world, because the Lord comes and “HE” gets rid of them all, in one fell swoop ... when he sets up his one-world government, and rules over all the countries of the world, including the USA. At that time, he will get rid of the US Constitution, as it will no longer be relevant or be the government any longer.
Unfortunately ... until then ... the USA, along with the world, gets worse and worse. But the good news, is that the Lord’s coming is not far off in the future.
Says you ... but unfortunately for you, the law as we see it today, doesn’t agree with you ... and that’s the major problem you have with that opinion. It’s an opinion that has no force of law.
Note what I said in Post #54 ...
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And we do the same thing today, in that we accept Islam, as it is practiced in the USA under the law. In other words, if a Mosque does not practice terrorist bombings, or beheadings, or cutting off hands, or the stoning of women ... then they have the same Constitutional protections of any other church in the USA. HOWEVER, if a particular Mosque starts doing terrorist bombings, and beheadings and any other ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, then those people will be arrested, charged, tried, convicted and jailed.
Thats how it works and is working.
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THIS ... namely “what I said” ... is exactly what is happening. We have numerous examples of that in the USA. Look up the Holyland Foundation in Texas ... for such an example.
Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relief_and_Development
Indeed!!
Thanks for your opinion.
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