Posted on 02/07/2015 11:33:55 AM PST by Steve Newton
Ok. This is the final version of an Act to remove the tax exempt status from all Islamic organizations. Let's FReep this petition.
No Sir.
We are asking they take away their tax exempt status.
Think of this as payback.
The Muslims use jizya , where it specifically taxes those persons more who are not of the Islamic faith, invariably a debilitating extreme taxation.
You’ll find all the churches of all religions in the USA lined up against you on this one ... :-) ...
Picture that ... all the churches in the United States telling their members that legislators are trying to undo the tax exempt status of churches in the United States by ASSUMING THE POWER (in a raw power grab) to be able to determine what church gets an exemption and what church doesn’t.
That’s the way all churches are going to view this ... and I wouldn’t want to be the legislator with my name on that ... getting an earful from all church members across this country ... LOL ...
There have been attempts by some government officials to tax churches before, even though they’ve not been taxed since the foundation of this country. And the US Supreme Court has said (at least in one case) that this power to tax would also mean that it would be the power to dissolve the church, too ... and therefore to tax it would be Unconstitutional.
What was meant was, and they said this ... was that if the taxes were not paid, the power to tax also gives the power to seize and sell, thereby dissolving the church ... therefore the power to tax is Unconstituonal, per the First Amendment.
Again: “ Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. The RIOT Act neither establishes any religion, nor does it prohibit the free exercise of any religion.
It simply indicates that Islam is not to be recognized as exempt from taxation due to the fact that it is a political institution in conflict with the guaranteed principles of this country.
Note it is a POLITICAL institution and not a religious one.
The trouble there ... is ... Mosques are not political organizations ... :-) ...
Now there are Muslim political organizations in the USA, but they are not Mosques and they are not necessarily tax exempt, depending on what category they fit into. And they are legal.
So while you may say that there are some Muslims you can quote around the world, saying there is no separation between Islam and the government, here in the USA, you won’t find the Mosques doing that. They operate under the law (and rules and regulations of the IRS) in which they do not engage in political activities.
Like I was saying earlier, different Muslims think different and they don’t all act in a monolithic fashion. And therefore, you won’t find the Mosques in the USA violating the law, as you would find them doing in a place like Saudi Arabia or Iran or Turkey.
My friend
You said: So while you may say that there are some Muslims you can quote around the world, saying there is no separation between Islam and the government, here in the USA, you won’t find the Mosques doing that. They operate under the law (and rules and regulations of the IRS) in which they do not engage in political activities.
Do you really believe that? Most of the intelligence I have seen suggests otherwise. Such as many Mosques being recruiting centers, hot beds or radicalism, money forwarding centers, etc.
Can you really not tell the difference between Christian Churches an Mosques? Read the Quran.
If any one particular Mosque were being run as a political entity, by IRS rules and guidelines ... it would not have a tax exemption. The IRS does take reports from citizens about anyone violating tax law ... SO ... all you have to do is report whatever Mosque is doing it ... that you are aware of, and they’ll lose their tax exemption.
You see ... there’s not even a need for the law to change from what it is RIGHT NOW to accomplish what you say ... :-) ...
In the area of terrorism, if any one particular mosque is engaged in terrorism recruiting activities, they’re violating the law RIGHT NOW and it would be shut down, the people involved arrested, charged, tried and convicted. That’s ALREADY THE LAW right now, thus there’s no need for anyone in Congress to do anything else. Law enforcement has terrorism laws on their side!
As far as sending money to terrorist organizations overseas, if any mosque is doing that, they would be violating the law and they would be shut down. That’s ALREADY true as we speak.
There was already a very high profile case during the Bush Administration of a Muslim organization sending money overseas, saying it was charitable, but it was money to terrorists. It was the Holyland Foundation and they were convicted and the organization was dissolved. Again, there was no need for anyone in Congress to do anything, because the existing laws were able to do the job just fine!
FReep to all lists.
Excellent.
I’d go one step further, and say that our government should ban all Saudi funded mosques and Saudi clerics in this country.
They don’t allow any religious freedom in their Islamic dictatorship, there is no reason our country should have to accommodate their radical theistic dictatorship here.
I don’t believe the government should be in the business of deciding which beliefs constitute a ‘real’ religion.
While it is difficult to deal with a religion that is against our way of life and uses violence to oppose anyone who disagrees, the country must devise other means to defuse the threat.
I’d start with the 2nd Ammendment as the basic protection of our values.
Are you familiar with US Government action against the Mormons in the 1800s?
Aren’t Nazism and Communism belief systems as well?
Yet over and over Congress has made laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
Polygamy was ILLEGAL in the USA and the Mormon Church had to renounce this before Utah could become a state. You can single out a “particular action” or “activity” as ILLEGAL and if this activity is taught and perpetuated, and actively so, in real-life activities (not just “talking about it”) ... and then you can arrest, charge, try, convict and jail people for this.
And we do the same thing today, in that we accept Islam, as it is practiced in the USA “under the law”. In other words, if a Mosque does not “practice” terrorist bombings, or beheadings, or cutting off hands, or the stoning of women ... then they have the same Constitutional protections of any other church in the USA. HOWEVER, if a particular Mosque starts doing terrorist bombings, and beheadings and any other ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, then those people will be arrested, charged, tried, convicted and jailed.
That’s how it works and is working.
I don’t see that the government has prevented the free exercise of religion. As I see it, they allow the Satanist religion, cult groups like Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, Hindus, Buddhists, and every religion that exists in the world ... to be here and operate here and practice here, in the USA.
How is that limiting freedom of religion?
Yes, even Nazism and Communism is ALLOWED in the USA. What is not allowed ... are certain “actions” by these organizations. They can freely teach and recruit members and speak out in public, as those things are protected by the USA. What they can’t do is forcibly take over governmental functions and buildings and actively and violently overthrow the government. They CAN, however, vote and put into place “representatives” in our government, if they get enough voters to agree with them.
BUT, at the same time, we can talk in public and argue against their position and persuade voters not to pay any attention to them.
THAT is our system of government as put into place by our Founding Fathers.
I think the First Amendment is the most powerful weapon, both with Freedom of Religion ... and ... Freedom of Speech.
Both religion and speech work together to win the day, and preserve order. The Second Amendment would be for protection of yourself ... if ... the First Amendment has “lost the day” and anarchy prevails.
By law ... radical Political Islam as taught by Islamists and these radical terrorists around the world is NOT ALLOWED in the USA. If anyone tries to practice it, by doing bombings, by cutting off heads, by burning people alive, by stoning women, by cutting off hands and feet ... those people will be arrested, charged, tried, convicted and jailed. AND ... we have ample EXAMPLES of the USA doing that very thing AGAINST these kinds of people.
What IS ALLOWED in the USA is the religious practices of Islam (not the “Political Islam” listed above). There are NO LAWS AGAINST the religious practice of Islam. That will continue in the USA.
No, we need to eliminate mosques, ALL mosques, from US territory, and then put pressure on the EU to do the same. Once IRAN starts the next world war, we’ll have less trouble with that approach.
I actually suspect there *will* be a ban on Islam in some country around the world, just as the Nazi party is banned in Germany. Banning Islam publicly wouldn't stop the religion anymore than fascism has been stopped in Germany, but it would definitely put in check.
I'm guessing maybe a ban will happen in a Scandinavian country, or possibly Japan or Australia.
It's coming, because most of the free world has had enough of Islamic misogyny and violence.
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