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To: xone; RushingWater; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

I did some more checking on ancient heresies and discovered that several were very much involved with the original sin controversy. This list was written by a man who is apparently of the Roman Catholic belief, and some of his descriptions may reflect a slight bias.
http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/kwhthd_ancntheresies_july05.asp

The above site did not mention the Albigensian Heresy which was fought in the 1200s. It has also been called a Crusade, but has nothing to do with the Holy Lands crusades, except as a military learning experience. See this link which does a nice job of listing the important philosophical and historical points.
http://www.the-orb.net/textbooks/crusade/albig.html

I found this very well designed site listing war related death tolls for many different wars worldwide. Multiple references/authors are listed for each topic with their estimates for direct war killing and starvation/disease deaths. For the Albigensian my guess after looking at the various figures is 1/2 to a million, with around 5,000 executed by trial of the Inquisition.
http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm

Conclusions: Wars are terrible things. The European religious war period of from 1559-1715 was extremely fatal. No wonder our founders kept religion out of the Constitution. The Muslim world is undergoing a similar period of sectarian warfare (Sunni vs Shia) and would do well to learn the lessons of history regarding religious wars.


15 posted on 01/25/2015 11:51:54 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
The term Crusade means "taking of the cross" -- so someone fighting on behalf of the cross.

That's why you also had the Reconquista (the defeat of the Moslems in Spain) as a Crusade, you had the Albigensian crusade against Gnostic Cathars and the Northern Crusades against the Baltic pagans

35 posted on 01/11/2016 5:23:58 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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To: gleeaikin

The Sunni-Shia wars have been going on since the 8th century. This is longer and older than the Catholic-Protestant wars.


36 posted on 01/11/2016 5:32:33 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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