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Are you suggesting Business Insider publications and many others do not depict exhausted workers sleeping on the flipping floors, using buckets to wash in, squalid communal showers rigged in parking garages and a disgusting unclean urinals?

I am telling you, that you do not know what you are talking about.

You are now doing the next trick. . . changing the subject to something else entirely. Workers in China do take naps near their work stations. The other things you list are from factories not associated with HonHai or FoxConn and were proved to have come from discredited reporting by China Labor Watch using video from other companies. . . in that Business Insider and the other were using sources that used China Labor Watch reports that snuck in videos from other really bad locations and claimed they were associated with Apple. . . just as YOU are doing here. These same videos were found in CLW's reports on OTHER companies that were not FoxConn. . . but were later shows as being FoxConn and then reported as coming from plants making Apple products. CLW wants publicity for the ax they are grinding and like Greenpeace before them, they get the best bank for the buck by smearing Apple. The media swallows it because it sells.

Or are you just disputing conditions haven't caused suicides yet in Apples Communist Chinese "contract" factories?

AND AGAIN, you conflate the far lower than normal suicide rates that happen in ANY population of people with Apple's contract factories, even though those suicides NEVER HAPPENED at Apple's factories???? Just how gullibly insane are you? And you insist on putting the word contract in quotation marks as though you are convinced that Apple owns these factories. . . just like another I have had the displeasure to engage on FR. Are you by chance a re-incarnation of a person who has been told to not engage on this subject? Your writing style and opinions are quite similar.

I wonder why Microsoft, HP and Sony along with Apple are producing their products in Communist China?

It is NOT just Microsoft, HP and Sony. . . it is EVERYBODY, dragnet2. The fact is that about the only company that is building computers in the United States right now is Apple.

I've noted you show up on nearly every single Apple thread attempting to discredit the stories and article which depict Apple doing business in Communist China while taking total advantage of that dirt cheap peasant labor.

All that shows is that you don't pay attention but not to factual data.

Did you by chance note WHO posted this thread? You also might note who posted the PING list notification. I have maintained that PING list for over 650 of your fellow creepers for almost twelve years who have ASKED me to notify them of ACCURATE information about Apple and their products and to PING them to threads on those topics. . . and you ask WHY I am on these threads. You DO have a reading comprehension problem.

In the interest of fulfilling that obligation to those 650 members of the PING list, I am also interested in TRUTH and FACTS about those topics, as I have repeatedly told you. . . and you are an egregious spreader of falsehoods and non-facts and FUD, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. I will correct you when you spout such nonsense. . . which you repeatedly do. Unfortunately FUD and nonsense about Apple is also rife on the Internet, because anything involving Apple garners clicks for advertisers, true or not. And the more sensational, the more clicks it garners. That's why reports of suicides at manufacturing facilities making OTHER makers' products get headlines saying Apple Contractors' Plant has suicides but only in the sixth or seventh paragraph do you find out no Apple workers were involved. Nobody will click on a headline that says Microsoft Xbox maker has a suicide. . . but put Apple in the headline, and everyone clicks on it. . . even if it is untrue!

You ask why I discredit articles depicting Apple doing business in China. . . I don't. I discredit articles or claims that are FALSE about how they do that business. Apple has done more to improve the conditions of workers in manufacturing than any other organization involved. That's another fact. Apple included in its contracts requirements for increased worker pay. . . trebling the pay of manufacturing line workers. . . which has resulted in pay increases across the board in other workers not on Apple assembly lines at FoxConn. Here's some citation from an earlier thread in which I was addressing this issue to a nameless Freeper who like you loved falsehoods more than facts:

It was reported above in sourced articles that FoxConn starts workers at 900 yuan (~$132 US) per month on their regular work lines. It was also reported that a young 19 year old girl working on Apple's iPad assembly line was making 2000 yuan (~$345 US) per month, there's the documented proof of my assertion that workers on the Apple lines were paid more than those on the other lines. . . and FoxConn is raising rates as I said even more, which (you) called untrue:

iPhone manufacturer Foxconn to double worker salaries by 2013
By Cyrus Lee
ZDNet—View from China — May 29, 2012 -- 08:42 GMT
Summary: Foxconn’s current base salary ($350) per month is already higher than the RMB 1,500 ($240) statutory minimum wage per month in the city of Shenzhen.
The base salary in Foxconn's Chinese manufacturing bases will be lifted to RMB 4,400 ($700) per month by the end of 2013, from current RMB 2,200 ($350) per month, Taiwan-based Business Weekly reported last week, citing Foxconn’s President Terry Gou.
Gou also aims to raise the entrance labor wages to RMB 4,000 ($635) by the end of this year in China firstly, which represents an 82 percent jump from current RMB 2,200 ($350), to exceed the entry-level wage of graduate students working for its headquarter in Taiwan.
Foxconn will have its employees “reasonably paid”, Gou said during an event in China this month.
The electronics manufacturing giant produces various high-tech devices including the iPhone, iPad and Kindle.
The basic salary at Foxconn’s Shenzhen plant in China, which employs almost 400,000 workers to feed the rolling manufacturing contracts from all over the globe, was only about RMB 900 ($145) per month back to early 2010.
However, after 11 (three of the attempted suicides survived their attempts — Swordmaker) employees of Foxconn’s Shenzhen factory jumped from high buildings in the first five months of 2010, the company initiated rounds of pay raises to prevent more deaths as they believe the suicides are for money compensation.
Foxconn’s current basic salary ($350) per month is already higher than the RMB 1,500 ($240) statutory minimum wage per month in the city of Shenzhen this year. The latter is also the highest statutory minimum wage throughout China, which is higher than that in Beijing ($200) and Shanghai ($230).
However, the gross profit margin of Foxconn’s parent company, Hon Hai Precision Industry, was only at 4 percent in the first three months of 2012, down 0.5 percent from the 4.5 percent for the same period last year, according to its first quarter report.
The low profit margin amid aggressive wage hikes is likely to make Foxconn transfer the higher costs to its contractors, said a report by the Chinese leading portal NetEase. Foxconn manufactures gadgets for the likes of Apple, Sony, Nintendo, Hewlett-Packard, Nokia and Dell, etc.
First Financial Daily, a Chinese newspaper, reported that Foxconn spokespersons in China said they have not received notice from corporate headquarters to raise the wages at the moment.
The newspaper also reported a rising rental prices around Foxconn’s manufacturing bases in China as the landlords are lifting the prices after hearing about the rumors of the pay raises.
(You) would have us believe that a company which employs 1.2 MILLION people, that 19 suicides and 5 unsuccessful attempts in the six year period from 2007 through 2013, averaging a 3.43 a year, giving a normalized rate (ignoring clusters) of 0.6 per 100,000 per year is somehow remarkably unusual! THAT'S LESS THAN ONE SUICIDE PER 100,000 EMPLOYEES PER YEAR! Even with the 2010 cluster in Szhenschow, the rate was way below the norm for the age group for China's population in general. . . Ask yourselves, how many people in a city with a population of 1.2 million people will kill themselves in six years? The answer is that with the suicide rate in the US it would be around 800.

Yet, you dragnet2, like the person I was addressing in this original thread, want us to not use our rational minds and to ignore sane THINKING, you'd prefer we throw out facts and rather embrace irrational emotion to focus not on the OWNER of the company where the suicides took place, and to ultimately target and place culpability on only ONE of its hundreds of customers! Are we supposed to join you in your delusions? I refuse because I will not let go of rationality.

By the way slick, the moniker is not from the TV shows ya watch, but the definition of the word. You fail at assuming.

By the way, my Freepname is NOT "Slick." That is the same exact pattern of the (you) used in his approach to discussion. . . to refuse to use my Freepname. Cut it out, Dragnet2. Use my correct Freepname in addressing me instead of snarky insults.

Finally, I was not assuming anything. I was using a humorous play on your Freepname, which is obviously beyond you. Obviously, like all emotional liberals, you have no sense of humor.